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    • I think there are times when we haven’t been inspired, and those are hard. When we kept doing the same thing over and over, trying to crank out as many interviews as possible, it got really hard. We weren’t inspired. So what we did about 2 years ago now was we stopped caring about the metrics, and started making content that we liked. It means the show changed drastically, we lost listenership, luckily we’ve gained it back, but some people started listening for what the show started out being and didn’t like how it changed. We keep evolving the show, as storytellers, as people. We pay less attention to constant growth, and pay more attention to stories and what we want to tell, versus what people want to hear. And when we did that, it became fun again. We were ok losing a little bit of following to create something we were actually proud of.