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    • I composed a reply but when I submitted it I got an error, and the post now seems to have disappeared into the ether.

      @Dracula

      Yep, you're sick.

      I use it to indicate approval or agreement or to indicate I generally enjoyed or found interest in the post, but not to the extent that it warrants a thumbs up or some other stronger emotion. I never use it with a negative intent.

      On that note however, what the f#%k is up with LOL. Whats wrong with Haha or a smiley face?

      Anyone that posts 'First' as the first reply on a discussion should flayed alive, hung, drawn, quartered, and scattered to the 4 corners of the earth.

    • Oh, I thought it wasn't of interest (have a feeling some things are better left unanswered) so I nixed it. But you made an interesting comment which helped me evaluate my view on this. Are you certain you can't see any possibility of smileys to be used maliciously, or in sarcastic ways, or that doesn't happen, or something else? If either of the former, my thoughts are how then is someone supposed to arrive at the best perception of smiley poster's intent, and always avoid wrong interpretation. I know, common sense, right?

    • FWIW, I know that Chris, Vilen, Kevin and I have all added a 🙂 to one or more of your posts in the past week. And none of us did so as an expression of sarcasm or ill will. The smiley face is the default option and so, I think, sometimes people default to it as a way to give a positive like to your comments. Other times, people may feel like giving a more nuanced positive reaction.

    • Thank you for responding. To my mind, that emoji still isn't clear at all, what exactly it means, or what it expresses. So I get it, in your opinion too, apparently it's just me... everyone else has a clear understanding of using it, and values it as is. I try as much possible and stay away from using it, by either commenting specifically or using another emoticon that's more clear in the context, or use none at all. Some days I feel it could also be an arrogant smirk since there's no real face behind it to see the kind of the smile it tries to convey. It could also be part of a horror show, denoting some lurking danger! I don't see an excuse in saving the mouse movement of few pixels simply because it happens to be the "default" by virtue of it being in the upper left corner. What is, then, a "default" emoji, and it's role?

      What would you have understood if I posted this emoji on your message above? Would that be either one, or o combination of the following:

      1) liked your message

      2) acknowledged it

      3) agree with it

      4) felt was kind of funny

      5) .. anything else?

      Kindest regards

    • At one time, Cake allowed users to leave a reaction of the poop 💩 emoji. I lobbied for several months to remove it because I was concerned that it could be used to troll someone: imagine how it would feel to get 50 people leaving a 💩 reaction on your post. Eventually I convinced, or wore down, the team into removing it. So I do take seriously the idea of Cake being a place that is troll-free and where people don’t have to worry about being attacked, either explicitly, suggestively or passive aggressively.

      About a month ago, there was an image of a face emoji holding up a middle finger that a user posted in reply to another user. I flagged it as inappropriate and the post was subsequently deleted.

      I’ve taken some time to reflect on what you’ve said here about 🙂, but I just don’t see things the way you do on this.

    • I see you have chosen not to answer, and I am fine with it. I do not have a fixed, predefined way of seeing this topic. I will accept gladly any explanation including that I am wrong in my perception. In fact as it was noticed, I had deleted the conversation after originally posting it, since I gave it a second thought and considered it could be less than welcome, and most likely it's intent misunderstood.

      I always come with an open mind, yet really can't help myself trying to avoid assumptions, nor implicitly accept generally considered "standards" especially in the realm of so diverse social media interactions, when a question mark pops up in my mind. I'd rather comprehend with my own mind and intuition, what is going on, getting to know the person behind that "happy face", if you will... Of course that could mean I'd be mistaken occasionally, or simply find out that each of us may have separate affinities, which is totally normal. My goal is to know when I don't know, understand others and their intent to share.. Undoubtedly there are many examples where by and large everything just flows effortlessly, and it all makes sense, including emoji's used. That simile face, never does it for me. I like ambiguity as a psychological challenge, but only when it has an outcome that can be actually revealed.

      Another thought, just imagine if we all "smiled" "loved" laughed" "etc" in real life, all when and how exactly the same way these automagic icons pop up, what would the world be like.

    • This is what these mean to me, and consequently how I use them:

      🙂 Your post made me smile

      👍 I agree, or 'OK', or 'this is good'

      🤣 Very funny

      👌 Perfect (apparently there's some confusion over this one, so I seldom use)

      I also use clap, thank-you, and a few others to mean more or less what the name suggests.

      Camera = 'Nice shot'

      I seldom use the upside down smiley face, but take it to mean 'not funny' or 'i'm confused'.

      Poop, to me would mean 'oh poo', and is less derogatory than the upside smiley face or the roll-eyes, IMO. It's probably not one I'd use in any case.

      I've used a 'Blech' face before to register a general distaste for something, but there isn't one here.

      I think for the most part, an emoticon should be there for people to lend encouragement, without cluttering up threads with the noise of saying 'I agree' or 'I lolled' or 'that's gross' (but have nothing meaningful to add). Disagreement, however, is better expressed in words, IMO, so there can be a dialogue.

    • Oh, I thought it wasn't of interest (have a feeling some things are better left unanswered) so I nixed it. But you made an interesting comment which helped me evaluate my view on this.

      :) I'm a bit slow at replying, some days it takes me a while after seeing something to get a cohesive reply formed, and at the moment around travelling I don't always have time to do it there and then, or I see the comment while on Cake on my phone but don't reply till I have PC access because it's too awkward on the phone browser.

      Are you certain you can't see any possibility of smileys to be used maliciously, or in sarcastic ways, or that doesn't happen, or something else? If either of the former, my thoughts are how then is someone supposed to arrive at the best perception of smiley poster's intent, and always avoid wrong interpretation. I know, common sense, right?

      I guess nothings impossible so they could be used with malicious intent, but my experience is that if someone on an internet forum or social network wants to be sarcastic or negative to you they'll do it straight up in writing, there's not usually any subtlety involved.


      The bigger risk is for misinterpretation of the meaning and use of some of the emoticons, both by the recipient and the poster. The 'Thank You' emoticon you used on my first post is one example where it can mean different things to different people, or even between different social networks or social environments

    • "Anyone that posts 'First' as the first reply on a discussion should
      flayed alive, hung, drawn, quartered, and scattered to the 4 corners of
      the earth."

      Too soft.

    • I have the same response as @Apocryphal to the emojis we currently display. I hadn’t thought of 🙂 as anything but a simple smile as in real life, but I’ve been keeping my eye on a few others, like the rolling eyes and zzz emojis. I’ve been afraid rolling eyes could be used to imply you’re an idiot for posting that, and zzz to mean your post was boring.

      I’ve been thinking of subtracting some rarely used emojis and replacing them with others we’re missing, and also eliminating some that mean essentially the same things. For example, 😂 and 🤣 seem redundant, no? I don’t get the diff between 👏 and 🙌. Is the second one a standing O? And 👌 is an obscene gesture in some countries, like the one I was just in, and anyway we have 👍, also an obscene gesture in some places but made acceptable by Facebook on social media — and to me they seem to mean the same thing.

    • I don’t get the diff between 👏 and 🙌. Is the second one a standing O?

      I always understood the first to mean congratulation, like ‘hooray’ or ‘good for you’ and the second to mean ‘I bow to you’ or ‘we’re not worthy’ a la Wayne’s World - basically a very high praise.

    • I don’t get the diff between 👏 and 🙌. Is the second one a standing O?

      👏 is clearly a golf clap and for serious discussion.

      🙌 is a double high five and restricted for @DangerDave’s epic music suggestions.

      😉

    • For example, 😂 and 🤣 seem redundant, no?

      To me they are different, "Joy" vs. "Really funny".

      I don’t get the diff between 👏 and 🙌. Is the second one a standing O?

      Took me a long time to figure out how people use the second one (raised hands).. While the first implies "Bravo!" "Mission accomplished" or "Admirable!" what I got for this 🙌 was more like, "Great, and please do tell some more".

    • Now you're being divisive.. <-- it's meant as a joke!

      I’m not exactly sure what you are referring to, Drac. I have a weird encyclopedic memory of all things on Cake and I remembered that Chris brought up the same point 352 days ago. And so I basically paraphrased my response from back then.

      Here’s the response from a year ago to Chris, back when I was still using the apm avatar.

    • Oh no, sorry for being unclear. It was about Dave's music that I considered your divisiveness! 🤣

      But seriously, all kidding aside (I love to relax in even most tense situations) we aren't all supposed to like everything and everyone the same exact way, are we? Also no disrespect was meant to @DangerDave we all come here, some of us for different things than others. Or, more likely often have different views on same things.

    • The "Praying Hands" indeed looks more like it has some kind of spiritual bias; as far I know it appears to be the only one for "Thank you". To your point, and what I actually know happens in reality, I've seen emoji, more so even when people have just a single one available, apparently most innocent of all (the heart - for "like") be used for other purposes. It's also important in which context (there may be other conversations in parallel - without any apparent connection) and the timing they're used. As well as over time, one can observe patterns of ideas and behavior creating and, dare I say - even allegiances of "likes" used for out casting or passive aggression. Believe me, it's not far fetched at all.