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    • Thank you for your feedback. This conversation is a response to user feedback, and I'm glad you brought this up. Various Cake users have told us they find ๐Ÿ‘Œ and ๐Ÿ™„ offensive. As for ๐Ÿ‘Œ, the meaning isn't discrete, and misinterpreting the meaning has polarizing effects. Some read it as "OKAY" others read it as an offensive hand gesture. So, we thought, can we replace it with a better emoji from the thousands we can pick from? I think so.

      We're not here to police opinions. In this instance, we are striving to eliminate ambiguity and negativity from the product itself by maintaining a lively and useful set of emojis in the post reaction picker.

    • I like ๐Ÿ˜‡.

      What about adding another non-face non-hand gesture reaction along side these: ๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ…๐ŸŽ‚๐Ÿป๐ŸŽฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’ฅ๐ŸŒˆ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ“ท?

    • I don't think you can 'eliminate negativity' without policing. What one person finds positive, another finds negative. How will you decide who is being positive and who is being negative?

    • I have occasionally wished for something like one of these because we have had some good flower photography conversations...

    • The okay gesture is obscene in several cultures and loaded in others. I'll let Wikipedia explain:

      As for policing, we have to by law. Social media is under fire or being fined almost everywhere for lack of it.

    • Then the Smiley should be out too. And the winky.

      And here are a few more:

      And likely many others, including the dancing woman suggested above. Probably best to get rid of all of them, no?

      "If Apple could have predicted its peach would become synonymous with a curvy bottom, for example, it might have avoided a public redesign (and consequent return to sexy, naturally). Ditto the eggplant, peace sign, wagging tongue, flame, dancing woman, โ€œok handโ€โ€”and whateverโ€™s next. Deciding which innuendos are sexy enough to be officially called harassment is likely impossible. โ€œPeople in general and teens as a rule donโ€™t hang on to meanings for long,โ€ warns Kirley. They vary by season, but also by location. โ€œDepending on where you are online, even one social group to another will use emoji completely differently.โ€

    • It's a matter of degree. The others are not on the same level as the okay emoji. Also, we're focused on English-speaking language, so it's those two factors.

    • As long as weโ€™re discussing emoji usage, Iโ€™m confused about how folks are using ๐ŸŒˆ here on Cake. Generally speaking, Iโ€™ve seen it used as a sign of gay pride (confirmed in this link), but it seems to crop up around here in other contexts a lot. Am I missing something?

    • For what it's worth, I think the term "political correctness" is thrown around here for no good reason. Trying to avoid interactions that are (best-case accidentally, worst-case deliberately) offensive is not a bad idea. If I disagree with someone, I can still put some more effort into it and actually explain in a sentence or two why that is - I don't need a low-effort "your post sucks, but I won't explain why" emoji to do that. None of that really has anything to do with being or not being PC.

      As for potential replacements - I don't know, but agree with @kevin's later suggestion to try more non-face non-hand emojis.

      What about something green? ๐ŸŒฑ ๐ŸŒณ ๐ŸŒฒ๐ŸŒป

      What about earth? ๐ŸŒ

      What about something crazy? ๐Ÿ™ ๐ŸŒ‹ ๐Ÿšง ๐Ÿ›ฐ๏ธ ๐Ÿงญ ๐Ÿ“Œ ๐Ÿงฒ

    • I have used this emoji in the past - mostly because I like rainbows, no hidden meaning. :D

      For what it's worth, I think having access to 60 different reactions can be overwhelming and sometimes confusing, although it is generally speaking a fun thing to have. When I want to react to a post, and others have done before me, I often just pick one of the reactions already in use, if they seem to be somewhat compatible with what I think about the post.

      However, when I am the first to react, I sometimes try to pick an emoji that I don't see used as often as the others. Sometimes, it's the rainbow as a way to express "I don't have anything to add, but I like that you're posting about this crazy topic". Actually, in a way that is some sort of diversity message, although not in the LGBT context. :)

    • Oh wow, I like to think of myself as very sympathetic to LQBTQ causes and yet it never clicked in my head to associate the rainbow emoji with them.

      The only thing that entered my offtimes not-so-clued-in head was colorful. Iโ€™ve probably used it numerous times in responses to posts of colorful flowers, not intending to suggest anything other than wow, so many colors.

      Or maybe with this desert I had the other day. Itโ€™s really fascinating to talk about what these emojis conjure in peopleโ€™s minds.

    • You and I are both of an older generation. We remember a time period before the "LGBTQ" movement co-opted the rainbow. The rainbow was used as a symbol by many people for diverse purposes in our youth.

      This brings up a subject which goes way beyond the LGBTQ movements use of the rainbow.

      For example, it also applies to Trump's co-opting of the idea of making America great. Kennedy wanted to make America great. LBJ wanted to make America great. Reagan wanted to make America great. In fact, with the notable exception of Jimmy Carter, most presidents have wanted to make America great. (Carter felt that America's strength was creating a global imbalance and that we needed to focus on making certain other nations great so that there would be more balance on a global basis.) (At least that is my impression of what Carter's agenda was, I hope that I'm not misrepresenting him.)

      I find it irritationg when people try to seize a monopoly on something which has previously been used by all kinds of people. Neither making america great nor rainbows have a patent or copyright (nor other symbols that have been co-opted).

      Whenever the media starts telling me that I can no longer use such and such a word, phrase, or symbol because now that "label" which was previously unowned belongs to such an such a group, it is irritating.

      This is how I feel about the subject which started this conversation. Not so much the thumb and finger gesture (although it certainly did not imply what people say it now implies when I was young) but does apply to the general topic.

      I do think that @Factotum is right in suggesting that the eyeroll doesn't explain the reacter's reason for an eyeroll. That does make sense.

    • When I was a young geophysicist the company I worked for gave us cultural/historical training because we had field crews in almost every country. I learned a ton about centuries-long traditions, like not showing the bottoms of your shoes in Arab countries. It made sense It wasnโ€™t so much about political correctness as about good communication and respect.

      One of the first things they taught us was to not use the okay symbol because itโ€™s a literal obscene gesture in some countries. In the rush to get Cake running, I didnโ€™t think about it, my fault. In the meantime itโ€™s being coopted to further confuse what it means.

      Itโ€™s a little bit redundant in our emoji selection anyway; we have plenty of emojis that mean almost the same, so no big deal to trade it for something more unique and meaningful.

    • Again, I'm not objecting to the removal of that specific symbol. My reason for my most recent posting prior to this one was because of what you had written about the rainbow and how it has had a different significance in your mind.

      Let me tell you a true story about how a movement to abolish a symbol resulted in the proliferation of that symbol.

      I lived in the state of Georgia near Atlanta for almost 13 years. During that time, Georgia changed its state flag twice. In the basement of Georgia's state capitol, there is a historical display which includes one of Georgia's flags from the time of the CSA. It was based on the national flag of the CSA which looked like this:

      Today, Georgia's flag looks like this:

      Until 1993, it would not have been legal for Georgia to use this flag!

      The reason that Georgia is now able to use this flag is because of an effort to prevent the flag shown in the first picture from being restricted by patent to the "Daughters of the Confederacy."

      Carol Moseley-Braun felt that if Congress renewed the patent of the Daughters of the Confederacy that this would be the equivalent of endorsing this symbol. There were warnings at the time that a failure to renew the patent would cause this symbol to enter the Public Domain.

      A few years later, the state of Georgia was looking for a new flag that would quiet a controversy that had been boiling for several years. Because the use of this symbol was no longer restricted, Georgia now uses that symbol.

      The moral (if you will) of this story is that symbols are interchangeable. The symbol is not the problem. The problem is the ATTITUDE of those who use a symbol because of a motivation which is dishonorable. If one symbol is taken away, a new symbol is made to replace the old.

    • I love the dancing lady and the flowers you suggested. When we selected these emojis, we had no women at Cake. Is it just me or in this thread is there an element women suggesting cheerful dancers and flowers while old white men like me are suggesting get off my lawn emojis? ๐Ÿ˜ I kid, I kid, but I think we should go for the women's suggestion this time around and replace the ones that hardly get used.

    • Much as I like the dancing lady, I think she duplicates approximately the same emotion as ๐ŸŽ‰, so I vote for either a flower or a green tree emoji.

      As for the discussion about removing the others, I think both sides have good points. Honestly, I was surprised at the suggestion of removing the OK hand signal (because Iโ€™m a scuba diver, and that signal always means โ€œOKโ€ to me)โ€”but after your explanation, I completely agree with the decision to retire it! IMO, the thumbs up emoji will always convey โ€œOKโ€ just fine. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป (The reason we donโ€™t use the thumbs up to convey โ€œeverythingโ€™s OKโ€ when diving is because the thumbs up signal already means โ€œIโ€™m going up/I need to surface.โ€)

      As for the rolling eyesโ€”hahahahahaโ€”I DO roll my eyes occasionally at things I read on social media, but I donโ€™t usually post that emoji when I do! ๐Ÿ˜ฌ ๐Ÿ˜‡