Time Magazine reports that it costs between $10,000 - $20,000 to be treated in the hospital for the COVID-19.
Time Magazine reports that it costs between $10,000 - $20,000 to be treated in the hospital for the COVID-19.
From your article share.
She’ll be in good company. Public health experts predict that tens of thousands and possibly millions of people across the United States will likely need to be hospitalized for COVID-19 in the foreseeable future. And Congress has yet to address the problem. On March 18, it passed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which covers testing costs going forward, but it doesn’t do anything to address the cost of treatment.
While most people infected with COVID-19 will not need to be hospitalized and can recover at home, according to the World Health Organization, those who do need to go to the ICU can likely expect big bills, regardless of what insurance they have. As the U.S. government works on another stimulus package, future relief is likely to help ease some economic problems caused by the coronavirus pandemic, but gaps remain.
Time for the racket to tighten up the chain?
Not that I entirely believe this man, nor that I ever see things in black& white, it appears there is eloquence and perhaps some wisdom in his logic. Am curious of anyone else's opinions.
You’re relying on THIS anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theorist for useful information?
Icke, a former footballer and sports broadcaster best known for his theory that the world is run by a cabal of giant shape-shifting lizards, has claimed Jewish people bankrolled Hitler, caused the 2008 global financial crisis and staged the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
@Chris, have you heard of this guy? He was thrown out of Australia last year because of his anti-Semitic views.
Dvir Abramovich, the chairman of the ADC, thanked Coleman for “heeding our call and for declaring in a loud voice that antisemites and Holocaust deniers will never find a home in Australia”.
“Allowing Icke into our country would have crossed red lines and would have sent the message that it is open season on the Jewish community and that vilifying and maligning Australian Jews is OK and normal,” he said.
No real idea who he is or what his beliefs are, have never heard of him before two days ago, but found intriguing his blurb when someone shared it. But let me ask differently, if there was financial and social justice (am not even mentioning humanity) in the way our health "care" institutions are being run, do you think his statements would have had same weight?
My point is (and I don't mean this to defend my lack of broader research for the persona involved in above post) even a villain will always have some valid points, sometime, somewhere. I never take people as a good or bad per whole. I may like you for your math abilities, but hate you for your music preference (just a complete fictive example by the way), but when I can see with my logic that you are right in certain aspect I will respect and agree on that and I could care less what you're dubbed as a whole person, by others or the "society" at large. As I originally mentioned, I found some of his blurb intriguing and making logical sense, namely the aspect relative to control of how masses benefit (or lack thereof) from the mere crumbs falling from the table of the one per centers.. and how that trend seems to be growing stronger as we can all see without any special mental abilities. Politicians grow stupider and yet stronger, with each cycle. Corporations greedier and more inhumane, and are getting away with just about anything, what other examples do we need to see that this world is degrading socially?
On the same topic, I can't understand why all the crisis mitigation ideas or actions are being discussed in terms of dollars, as if a hand has to be raised begging from above, to just do the right thing humanly speaking, for the entire society. Begging from whom? There was ample time and more than plenty ample warnings yet we continue to stick to and at any price maintain in place the old byzantine "health care" system.. we all know why. I am just sick of this mascarade, much more than of the fear for the virus. And now, if you wouldn't mind I will "distance myself socially" if by expressing these ideas I'd caused any disturbance in the status quo of the conversation..
Fantastic. Every time I see Bill Gates being given (well-deserved) credit for predicting pandemics, I think of Larry. I also think Bill got his passion for testing from Larry, the early detection, early response guy. He was preaching this stuff long ago, way back when TED was a small conference in Monterey that I attended. Here’s the talk he gave back then that the WIRED article references:
I thought of you when hiking today. I was going one way and moved aside as a guy came the other way. He smiled and said “good move, 6 feet, I’m a lung scientist.”
We talked for 15 minutes and he is fascinating, a professor of medicine at Stanford (Glenn Rosen) and a biotech researcher. The ICU docs he knows say patients are not dying of lung disease per se, but myocarditis — infection in the heart. When lung tissue gets compromised, it leaks the virus through capillary action into the bloodstream and from there it infects the heart. He was full of fascinating insights like that.
I linked to him via LinkedIn and he’s asking what Cake is. How about I ask if you and I can interview him on a panel?
Wow, I am honored to be considered - but I must warn you I retired from practising ophthalmology 10 years ago, and general medicine almost 40 years before that to become an opthalmic surgeon -
I 'm not sure I even know what questions to ask when it comes to modern infectious disease therapy. But I would be delighted to participate if I can offer any insight.
The world community has been warned by several people about the dangers of pandemic illnesses many times, but at the same time, in the recent past, the new, serious, infectious diseases ( SARS, MERS, Ebola twice, ) have always been managed and contained at local levels, so that it seems almost all of us were blind sided by what is now finally occurring, a real world wide pandemic.
Now I wish I knew more about extracorporeal membrane oxygenation in profound pulmonary failure and/or heart failure.
Unfortunately, people in Malaysia seem to be making things harder for our healthcare workers. This pandemic is hard enough to contain on its own, but now we have people lying about their background.
It's gotten so out of hand that our MOH is considering taking legal action against people who are found to be lying.
From the British Medical Journal on using cloth masks, which many people are making for themselves and for health workers who are running out of the disposables.
Finally, WHO concludes that “Cloth masks are not recommended under any circumstance.” This warning is perhaps based on the results of a trial comparing cloth masks with medical masks for healthcare staff in high risk hospital settings in Vietnam, which cautioned against recommending them for healthcare workers. It’s unclear how relevant this finding would be in community settings, especially if the objective is source control. There has been an unfortunate lack of research into cloth masks and no randomised controlled trials seem to have been done on them in community settings. However, homemade cloth masks (although not found to be as effective as surgical masks) have still been shown in laboratory tests to reduce source transmission and block external aerosols.
Yesterday I listened to this talk given 10 years ago, which is finally picking up traction:
If you didn't know, you'd swear she was speaking now about the present contagion.
One thing that caught my attention is how masks can infect us. You put them on, concentrate the virus on them in a moist environment, take them off with your hands, touch your nose and boom: you're infected.
I asked a couple people in our neighborhood who work at Stanford hospital about that and they said oh yes, it's a huge education problem. They had to go through a full hour of training about how to use a mask because they can be very dangerous the way consumers use them. 🤧
Very informative, and quite pertinent and relavent still today.
The donning and removing of masks does require a great deal of care - if a mask is really effective at trapping and preventing the passage of virions through the mask, then it is going to be concentrating them on its surface or interior or someplace, and potentially that concentration can be easily transmitted by contact or the creation of a spray - at the very least one uses gloved hands to carefully, slowly remove a mask without allowing it to touch one's face.
In a real biocontainement facilty - think Ebola grade containment lab - one would not begin to remove their biosuits without decontaminating the external surfaces first with a bleach or other very anti viral lethal mist or shower or something or all of the above - a task usually performed only by serious virologists, with observers to verify the safe execution of the removal.
Except that it was done in Africa by a whole lot of folks fighting Ebola. The fact that they finally developed an effective anti-Ebola vaccine really helped turn the tide in the fight against Ebola. Ultimately, the same will be true for current Corona virus.
We really need to know why H5N1 and Sars and Covid 19 create such intense cytokine reactions in some patients. I suspect we will at some point through research.
I was intrigued that statins were felt to be protective with H5N1 victims - not sure what that means exactly, but there might be clues there worth looking at carefully.
I have not heard that statins are felt to have any effect in the Covid 19 illness, however. Google does though
To keep things in perspective - we are expecting 36,000 deaths in the US this flu season due to flu..... Whether Covid 19 surpasses this remains to be seen
The John Hopkins Covid-19 map is back up and working again.
I think the Johns Hopkins map is way behind the New York Times map I linked above - at least as far as the US goes. The NYT map is USA only however.
The Johns Hopkins map only shows one circle in Indianapolis, and Indiana has now posted over 100 positives in the NYT map... The NYT map was updated today Mar 21 at 2:36 pm local time
Someone here linked another map that is maintained by a high school student in Washington. I find this one interesting.
Being in New Zealand a US only map is not relevant to me, I'm after a world view of how it is progressing.
Considering the fact that healthcare workers can still get infected even using proper medical gear (more so than the average person would wear), I wouldn't recommend home-made cloth masks as an effective deterrent to contain the spread of the disease.
Viruses are really, really, really small. I doubt cloth masks have pores small enough to capture said viruses and prevent the wearer from being infected.
The theory of how one gets infected keeps changing and taking new shapes by the day. As is the lack of knowledge which makes room for all sorts of social media interpretations based on hearsay. I even read that now russians are poisoning cyberspace with fake news, WHO is pathetic, and now there are even theories that this originated in USA and spread to China via e-vaping cigarettes!
WHO is pathetic, and now there are even theories that this originated in USA and spread to China via e-vaping cigarettes!
Curious as to what do you think at this point, Dracula? And where do you normally go for your information? I ask because this is the first I’ve heard of these news stories and I’m always looking to expand my resources to stay on top of the news.
I don't tune in to too many sources, because as everyone else, I have limited time and energy to allocate to this. I tap into everything, and follow it everywhere, when I find a lead that's worthwhile of my attention.
I try and listen/view some reputable sources such as PBS, Reuters, and some others in EU in different languages, but I always take all with a grain of salt, some much more than others. I try and use my analytical skill to sift through the noise, but don't obsess over it, rather let everything sink in and "fall in the right places". My gipsy boxing coach words come to mind, "you must look your enemy in the eye and do not flinch, to be able to know when to avoid that punch and when to launch yours".
It's allot more than that, though. The world is driven by interests, today more than ever, and so sadly even in these moments we may learn we are being taken for a ride. I recall when a major earthquake hit my country many years ago, military was instructed to shoot looters. on sight. What I see happening today, if true, is looting at the highest level in the US congress by the very people trusted to represent majorities. And I'd reckon the only reason they made it there is a wrong, twisted scale of values instilled upon americans over decades, since 1900.
You are exactly right—the homemade cloth masks are not medical-grade, as most people realize. However, it has been proven that they are better than nothing. Actual studies have been done that show fabric masks made out of white cotton t-shirt material are 1/3-1/2 as effective as the N95s and they don’t compromise breathability. (Other materials are more effective in blocking, but they are terrible when it comes to breathability - i.e. household vacuum bags).
(I took a pretty deep dive down this rabbit hole last night. I can’t find the resource I read last night about various materials, but here’s a study that confirms what I summarized above...)
More updates from Malaysia
The Restricted Movement Order (RMO) or Movement Control Order (MCO) is still in effect with some added enforcement now. Restaurants are operating with shorter operating hours, all restaurants allow take-away only, and even convenience stores which are usually open 24/7 have started to close their doors earlier now. I went out to buy lunch for the family today and restaurants have stacked up their chairs and tables and even close their doorways to the public. If people want to order they place an order at the entrance to the restaurant, wait outside, then the staff will bring the food out to you. Even food delivery riders wait outside shops too.
The army was recruited by the government today to help police enforce the RMO by setting up roadblocks and patrolling neighbourhoods to ensure people are not gathering or leaving their houses unnecessarily.
These roadblocks might appear drastic, but they are really necessary as many people still leave their homes for trivial purposes.
The RMO has disrupted life in Malaysia, as I'm sure many other nations under lockdown are experiencing, but it seems to be helping curb the spread of COVID-19. As I mentioned in an earlier post, a religious event was the spark that ignited the second wave in Malaysia. Since then the RMO was enforced and when compared to Italy, Malaysia's effort to flatten the curve seems to be working.
It's still expected for the number of cases to continue to rise in the coming days, but once the bulk of the cases from that religious event are identified and treated, hopefully our curve will continue to flatten.
Meanwhile in South Korea.
Negative pressure testing boths, with disinfection before and after each patient usage - very smart!
I am truly impressed with their efforts and thoughtfulness.
Reduces the risks for the patient and the technicians both!! Win Win !!
Yes, I understand your desire for a world map, as a Kiwi.
The New York Times USA map has a link in its page, down below the USA map, to a world map; not sure if you noticed that .....
The NYT map has been very accurate in updating real time, at least in my local community, I can see changes hourly and dayly. And it is free, too. It has made me a New York Times fan.
Here it is