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    • Yes, I understand your desire for a world map, as a Kiwi.

      The New York Times USA map has a link in its page, down below the USA map, to a world map; not sure if you noticed that .....

      The NYT map has been very accurate in updating real time, at least in my local community, I can see changes hourly and dayly. And it is free, too. It has made me a New York Times fan.

      Here it is

    • I'm curious what happens to someone tested positive, from the quarantine stand point, and I haven't seen this discussed. Provided they survive, do they still carry the virus, and are they allowed to roam free after the 14 (or whatever imposed period) days? Do they get retested?

    • In combatting the virus, you build up antibodies that should make you immune to future exposure. While it’s not always the case with a virus, there have been no reported cases of reoccurrence for coronavirus.

      From npr, March 20, 2020

      "We don't know very much," says Matt Frieman, a coronavirus researcher at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore. "I think there's a very likely scenario where the virus comes through this year, and everyone gets some level of immunity to it, and if it comes back again, we will be protected from it — either completely or if you do get reinfected later, a year from now, then you have much less disease."

      "That is the hope," he adds. "But there is no way to know that."

    • From reports I've seen for China patients were quarantined until they return a negative result from testing. How/whether that is applied may vary in each country depending on resources/impacts, etc, I don't know.

    • In Malaysia once tested positive you're admitted to a hospital for both quarantine and treatment purposes. I believe treatment is targeted at symptoms to alleviate them, since there's no real cure for COVID19. Patients are released from hospital I believe after testing negative for COVID19 in three successive tests.

      As with most infections, recovery is usually accompanied by immunity, however in some viral infections like dengue, immunity from one sub-type is actually a prerequisite to a more severe reaction if the same individual is infected with another sub-type (there are four dengue sub-types). So far there's been no evidence to suggest that COVID19 exists in several distinct sub-types as far as I know, but if it were to be the case, this pandemic is far from over.

    • since there's no real cure for COVID19. Patients are released from hospital I believe after testing negative for COVID19 in three successive tests.

      That answers my question, so apparently the virus is no longer present once the tests come back negative. That implies a person's immune system manages to purge it, somehow. By extending this theory, those with symptoms who eventually self recover whether hospitalized or not, wold have same "benefit". Which is good for their immunity, but more importantly they would be "clean" in terms of not spreading the disease further. Also, I would think it's impossible to simply hospitalize all of those tested positive, I reckon no nation has such capacity as of today, so their next best action is to self quarantine home and only go to hospital to treat severe/critical symptoms, perhaps.

    • New Zealand has announced the entire country will go into a minimum of 4 weeks of total lockdown except for essential services from Wednesday night NZ time.

      The total number of affected people in New Zealand rose by 36 overnight, a 50% increase with 2 of those cases appearing to be the first community transmission of Covid-19 in NZ. All other cases to date can be directly traced back to people arriving in NZ from overseas.

      The NZ government has taken this step after watching how the virus has spread in other countries, and wanting to stem the flow before we see the huge surge in cases other countries have shown at the same stage New Zealand is at now.

      The lockdown is for a minimum of 4 weeks and will be reviewed again after that time.

    • It is interesting for me to see the economic ripples that COVID-19 is sending through global economy. Even when factories in China are back at 100% capacity, there will be no demand for their products as countries around the world are locking down.

      The likes of Adidas, Nike, Lululemon Athletica and Under Armour have all announced store closures in Europe and the US, even as shops start reopening in China. After the Lunar New Year holiday, Szeto’s clients were trying to front-load orders for fear the supply chain bottleneck would kill them, now the tables have turned.

      “They were worried, saying, we need the goods and are worried about the delay coming out of China,” he said. “But within the last week the tone has completely changed. It’s about, we do not need these goods any more, we may cancel things. So while the supply side is back up and running, there is actually too much supply right now and not enough demand.”

    • hearing the same from friends who have covid. They don't need to go to hospital but they are seriously, uncomfortably, ill.

      The blase view that "it's just a flu" isn't true. This will knock you for 6 .

    • I wonder if this link deserves an entirely new thread of its own, and will leave that up to the folks in charge of Cake, to decide.

      There has been scattered discussions in several conversations here on Cake, about the use of chloroquin or Hydroxychloroquin in the prevention/treament of Covid 19, based on scattered and not highly regarded papers about their potential use in this epidemic. Like many, I have not been entirely convinvced, but was also hopeful for something of us in this scourge that humanity is facing.

      This article in the Wall Stree Journal, however, has a very cautious, but positive tone. Hydroxycholorquin ( Plaquenil ) is actively used for several illnesses, mostly auto-immune diseases, and is now being repurposed in the fight against the Covid 19 virus. The trick will to have enough for most people who need it.

    • sometimes the sheer numbers numb you. But a single case can remind us of how tragic this can be.

      A 32 year old mum of a 3 year old child, has cancer which is advanced. She lives in Northern Ireland. Her case was raised in stormont ( Northern Ireland’s parliament) as she has been informed that her chemo treatment has been stopped.
      nhs can’t do chemo treatments due to volume of covid patients.

    • At first I gave this light attention because it was coming from Trump and Fauci seemed to control expectations for it, but like you it has suddenly caught my attention. I do think it's worthy of its own thread and if you would start one I'd be very grateful. The small study from France looks legit and so does the new study from China from 10 docs.

      This is going to seem like a very strange source, some guy in India standing in front of a tree, but it's actually very legit about the drugs. It's like the late night hosts sitting on their couches broadcasting from iPhones with AirPods right now.

      I think India just approved its use:

    • Yes, you’re right, emotionally, that really hurts to hear.

      I warned all my family last week to be extra careful, as effectively, there is no medical care for folks who have “relatively” minor illnesses or injuries. We definitely don’t want to be in the hospital milieu, and the caregivers are concentrating on staying afloat with desperately ill patients.

      Relatively now means, you’re not going to die in the next couple days without care.....

      As your story demonstrates all too well.

    • Well, Dr. Oz endorsed Hydroxychloroquine on Fox & Friends but the surgeon general, Jerome Adams, came on later and urged caution.

      I wanted to know more about the French study and this doc seemed to have pretty good insight on it:

      I don't know him. 👆 But hang in there past the first few minutes and he sounds more and more clear-headed.

    • Here is a video report of a study that suggests chloroquine and the Zn ion may jointly play a role - this comes from research done on SARS, but it is interesting

    • Wow, someone who actually runs through the numbers and explains their signficance.

      He doesn't end up saying Chroroquine or Hydroxychloroquin doesn't work, just that this paper really doesn't prove anything one way or another - well, maybe it suggests the younger people in the control group are expected to do better than the older people in the treated group, Why would one ever use a control group fifteen years younger than the treated group???? Let alone decide that your successful treatment is the reversal of the nasal swab test, rather than the patients recovering.

      Apparently the South Korean physicians and the Chinese physicians are both using chlorquin type agents in large studies so we may soon know more.

    • UK announce strict new measures


      If you’re just joining us, UK PM Boris Johnson has just announced a major ramping up of coronavirus measures.

      Here are the major points of his speech:

      From tonight, people in Britain will be allowed to leave their homes for only “very limited purposes” - shopping for basic necessities; for one form of exercise a day; for any medical need; and to travel to and from work when “absolutely necessary”People are warned not to meet friends or family members who they do not live withShopping is only permitted for essentials like food and medicine, and people are advised to do it “as little as you can”Police have powers to enforce the rules, including through fines and dispersing gatheringsAll shops selling non-essential goods, such as clothing and electronic stores, are ordered to closeLibraries, playgrounds, outdoor gyms and places of worship are to closeAll gatherings of more than two people in public - excluding people you live with - are bannedAll social events, including weddings and baptisms are bannedFunerals are not included in the new restrictionsParks will remain open for exercise but gatherings will be dispersedRestrictions “under constant review” and will be checked again in three weeks. They will be relaxed “if the evidence shows we are able to

    • He sounds like he knows what he's talking about and it was interesting, but I just dunno enough about cell biology to get much of a feel.

    • This is my view of what leadership looks like: crystal clear with details and timelines that everyone can understand — and that make imminent sense;

    • I believe Trump is now officially guilty of war crimes during the pandemic.

      An Arizona man has died and his wife is in critical condition after they ingested chloroquine phosphate - an aquarium cleaning product similar to drugs that have been named by President Trump as potential treatments for coronavirus infection.

    • I was just about to share this article too. Since you got the news from a Malaysian link I assume you saw my retweet of the article?

      As for the news itself, people are very, very angry with Trump. More so than usual.

    • H/t to you 🎩

      My apologies, I DID get it from your retweet but didn’t notice it was you: I’m in perpetual dark mode on Twitter and the tiny type doesn’t always get noticed.

      Yeah, this ties to a theory I learned from a podcast episode last week and that I shared with @gorudy in one of the political discussions. The Civil Servant government of the United States has the responsibility of reducing risks. There are a ton of 1 in a million risks and these behind the scenes civil servant departments are there to prevent or reduce the negative effects of these disasters (hurricanes, earthquake, famines, wars, pandemics). Trump has been increasing the risk of potential threats from 1 in a million to 1 in 100,000 or 1 in 10,000 or even 1 in a 1,000. Unfortunately, fascist leaders are great at managing fabricated crisis (the “invasion” of a caravan of illegal immigrants at the border right before the mid-terms in 2018), but they are complete disasters at dealing with actual disasters: 3,000 dead in Puerto Rico due to his mishandling of the natural disaster there, for example.