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    • So has anyone here changed jobs/ careers because they wanted to, as in were fed up with the present job? What was the final straw? Good decision? Bad decision ?

    • I’ve changed careers more than once and I’ve changed jobs more times than I care to keep track of.  Changing careers has always felt like going towards an answer to the question, “What Should I Do With My Life?”  Changing jobs has always felt like leaving a bad situation and praying that the next job wouldn’t have a bad boss, bad co-worker or shit working conditions.  When I worked in the business world, every new job meant significantly more money but it was a crap shoot whether it would be a better work environment. Strangely, I changed careers once when the work environment in the current job was extremely good.

      My current job is a dead-end job.  If I left and went elsewhere I could make significantly more money with more career opportunities, but it would mean working more hours doing work that at best is annoying.  I have an extremely competent boss, the workload is never insurmountable, and once I get in the car to drive home I literally forget about work until the next morning’s commute.  Never bring work home, never work weekends and rarely work overtime.

      Truth be told, I am working on my next career and I’ll probably be working a lot more with more responsibilities.  And that’s okay: your job is a mosaic of pluses and minuses, and you can be equally happy (or at least satisfied) with completely different combinations.

      Not sure what you were looking for in a response, but hopefully it was an interesting enough read at the least.  Saw teaching was one of your topics selected for this conversation. Is Ofsted driving you out of the profession, @United78? I have many UK educator followers on Twitter and I know morale has taken a beating for some.

      Tagging @Ladybug @CygnusX1 @travelwriter27

    • Oh wow. Have I ever. Decisions to leave jobs were the best decisions I ever made. Decisions to leave jobs were the worst decisions I ever made. I may not be the brightest tool in the shed,and for better or worse, I made life-altering decisions that turned out to be one-way doors. They were among a few of the most pivotal decisions of my life that I look back on many times a week, wondering what if.

    • Leaving jobs is something that I have done more than once. It's a very difficult decision or at least it was for me. I didn't have a dream job I was seeking but each time I changed it was a good change.

      The last job I had was wonderful until about the last 5 years when the parent company sold the company to a company in France. Things changed a lot and I was at a stand still. I tried to change positions with no luck. I had been working for the company close to 20 years and I watched as person after person that had been there a long time was push out or their positions were eliminated. I finally gave up and retired before I wanted to retire.

      Even though I didn't want to retire I have found that was the best thing for me. I'll sum it up by saying leaving each job was the best thing for me even if it was frightening.

      Good luck.

    • Since the early days of my working life I have subscribed the view that you should always be planning your next career move, in order to keep developing professionally and (shock, horror) financially. Each of my moves was always planned with that in mind.

      For example, I once held a middle management role in a small ticket, regional asset finance firm, with predominantly middle office responsibilities. Knowing that I wanted to experience (a) more complex financing products and bigger funding deal sizes and (b) front office duties, my next move was to an international bank in the City of London. I took a status and salary cut to do so, but this was because I was convinced that over the medium term this would benefit me both professionally and financially. The key thing was that this was very much a strategic move.

      I think that any job where you work for someone else becomes stale and frustrating over time and I have felt this on several occasions over the years. I have, however, tried to avoid being led too much by these feelings as I realised that it might be just as much ME that was the problem as the place I was working. Fortunately, I have not suffered much from personality clashes. I have worked with more than my fair share of idiots, bone-idle wasters and glory-hunters, but they always did more harm to themselves than to me.

      Having worked for myself for over 10 years, I have to say that the absence of organisational politics is a tremendous boon.

      It is interesting, I think, to consider what people say when asked "if you didn't do what you do for a living, what would you want to do"? Hardly anyone says that they wouldn't change. I think that is quite sad, and makes me think of Henry David Thoreau's most frequently quoted saying - "the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."

      Me, I would quite like to be a teacher if I had the opportunity ("Captain, my Captain", and all that). But somehow, I don't see it happening. The wife is already looking a plans for a new kitchen extension, so I guess I should get back to work now.....

    • I left my role at NZ's incumbent Telco working with several customer facing and middleware systems to travel with the family almost a year ago.

      The decision to travel was made as part of a larger reconsideration of life due to both EddieWife and I developing chronic illnesses that mean at least 1 if not both of us probably won't be able to do it at retirement age.

      As part of this we also plan to return to a different city, though one we are familiar with and have friends in to start a new phase.

      I'll be needing to get a new role in the new city when we return shortly, however the city has no real IT base beyond local council and a few medium sized businesses, and due to my illness I can't do physical work.

      Finding a new job is looking 'interesting' but as long as I can find something I don't actually hate the lifestyle bonuses of the new location will far outweigh the likely lower pay. Hopefully no more 4 hour lead times to define, develop, deal with all the process, and deploy several thousand lines of SQL because a competitor changed their price point.

    • I hate changing jobs and have only done it 4 times in 30 years.

      The first was for a better opportunity as I felt the technology where I was would not be good for long term future prospects. What really started me looking was my second annual evaluations in a row by my manager that rated me as average even though I was doing the same work and quality as "senior" people that had been there 5 years. It was a great decision.

      The second was partially involuntary. I could have stayed if I wanted to uproot my family and relocate half way across the country to a less desirable market for the software industry. That was a "I'll take your severance package and good luck" obvious decision. That turned out to be a great decision to change jobs as well.

      The third I enjoyed the company but certain people, particularly HR/Admin staff drove me away. The straw was nit picking working hours and treating me like an hourly employee even though I was exempt. For example, I attended a trade show Thur-Sun and didn't get home until late Sunday night. The office manager told me I needed to take 1/2 vacation day because I didn't show up until noon on Monday (after being gone and working all day Saturday and Sunday). She complained if anyone took a 2 hour lunch break to go to a doctor's office regardless of the fact that they had worked 60 hours the previous week. I decided if that was how they were going to treat people that I was not going to put up with that and left. That turned out to be a great decision.

      The last one was very recent and I haven't been at the new place long enough to know if this was a great decision or not.

    • That reminds me of a company that had three outstanding employees — two of our best engineers and the head of design, who was super talented and productive. The two engineers had an engineering manager who wasn’t receptive to many improvements the engineers wanted to make.

      So, realizing that to ask permission was to seek denial, they stealthed together on Friday nights when everyone had left the office, often until midnight. They made some of the best improvements to the product that way which our customers loved.

      Unfortunately, to get ready for the high energy push it took from 6-12, they would go out running or some such on Friday afternoons. And that is how they became known to senior managers as slackers. While others were staying until 5 on Fridays, they were out running by 3.

      One got fired and the other two left.

    • Sad when people are so out of touch with what is really going on.

      I had to spend hours arguing with management to give one of my team members that was underpaid a 10% raise. He was making $30k and I wanted to give him a $3,000 raise. They said nobody gets a 10% raise, the standard is 3%. After much pursuasion including bringing up the fact that they would be more than happy to pay a head hunter $10k to fill the empty position that would by created by him leaving, that we'd likely end up paying more than $33k for a replacement and then we'd be a year behind because he was up to speed and proficient, they reluctantly agreed to a $3k raise.

    • @United78 I’ve chatted with @zorxique about the challenges of his overseas teaching gig, and sometimes the hardest thing is to just get through the end of the semester: schools don’t appreciate when you break your contract and leave mid-term. I put this together with the help of some outstanding veteran educators (@kidsnetsoft, @dcrescitelli, @LilMathGirl and @Gotmathhelp). Some of the tips are geared to newbies but others are good reminders for self-care.

    • In regards to applying for positions, The Guardian came out with an article on tips to get through the screening process, some of dubious ethics but nonetheless potentially effective.

      “One HR employee for a major technology company recommends slipping the words “Oxford” or “Cambridge” into a CV in invisible white text, to pass the automated screening.”

    • Thank you for the mention. If your purpose for doing so was to get a response or comment from me, then let me say that I have been working on one. I just haven't had time to gather all of my thoughts properly and type them out. Please be patient with me.

    • @StephenL

      Well, I finally got my response finished, but it turned into an actual post rather than a reply on here. You can see it here.

      In short, I personally have not had a good experience with changing jobs. My feeling and advice after my own experience is to only change jobs if things are really bad at your current place or if you definitelly know that things will be better at the new place.

      Not to discourage you from making a change, but my personal feeling is it's better to stick with the devil you know rather than change to the devil you don't know.

    • Been with my company over 30 years. Small aerospace firm. Revolving door of new contracts and new challenges. The company encourages us to move around and experience different teams, technologies and customers. We have turnover but close to 50% end up coming back.
      Along the way I had a health crisis and the company stepped up and got me through it. Their loyalty to me has prompted my loyalty to them.
      But, I’ll always wonder “What if...?”

    • Like most everyone here, I have changed jobs/careers, myself. In the military I moved around when they told me to, sometimes into different roles and sometimes into the same role within a different unit. It happens.

      As a civilian I worked in QA, moved over into more of a project management and then management roles. I found myself working all the time, being on call all the time and pretty much disgruntled with life.

      Then, after a series of contract jobs I hated, I decided to jump fields and pursue sales. I like sales because I enjoy the conversation. The discovery and the solution, however I quickly discovered that most companies wanted instant results, even if you didn't fully understand what you were selling.

      I bounced a little, picking up new skills here and there and am currently in that new juxtaposition where I am wondering what's next. Do I stay where I'm at? Do I move? Do I stay the course or stick my toe into another field? Do I jump headfirst or just hang ten?

      I ask this because I'm getting older and I want to enjoy my life while I have it as opposed to chasing a paycheck until I die. If I was prettier I would have a YT channel. If I were smarter I'd write something someone wants to purchase. The only thing I'm really good at is meeting people and getting to know them (hence the sales).

    • If I was prettier I would have a YT channel.

      Hahaha, I’m not pretty either and I’m older, but I’m trying my hand at a YouTube channel. I’ve dabbled there in the past, gotten some fulfillment from it, but I’m doing this attempt for mission & purpose about something I love, not for money. I think it’s hard to make money unless you are really good at it and work super hard.

      I think most people are in the situation we are, to find what we truly love.

    • For what is worth, career is an empty word if the goal is just to grab a handful of dollars. Yet love what you do - do what you love isn't the answer always, either. My best advise to anyone starting in life is, find what you are good at, and would love to do it till you are really satisfied. Don't expect money or praise, think as if you would do it for yourself. Then, before you commit years of your life, look around and see what pays. Find something else, in between the money - passion realms, repeat the thought process until the compromise is satisfying enough in your reality.. Of course we don't all have that opportunity nor the wisdom, when starting, in life.