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    • @Chris I am only 50% surprised about this news, but 100% soo grateful to have had the select pleasure of interacting directly with you (and even on the phone!!) and not in the least loved nearly everyone else I met and positively interacted with here.

      The concept is nice - no barriers - let everyone create their own paths, no imposed templates, specific sub forums or restrictions, I love that idea, don't give up on it! The simple GUI is so refreshing, all you needed to do was add some media support and solve the huge conversations page load performance.

      If you'd have tried to create private groups I am certain it would have taken off, albeit perhaps not in a desirable direction.

      So it all depends what you want from a cake! Please don't give up the dream. Remember your subconscious intuition will guide you, once you find a way to allow it!

    • Sorry Chris, I'm afraid you made ADVRider so frigging hypnotising and fruitful that I never have found time for other social media.

      Peace to you and yours sir, and thank you for changing my life EPICALLY, I'm more engaged and have expanded my horizons to the point that I can't accurately describe without becoming a blubbering leg humper. :D You singularly, if indirectly, have changed my life for the better.

      Happy trails hermano.

      Jack

    • Like Jax said. I've never gotten over here much, because what limited time I have online these days, I tend to fall on to my old habits. I have a toolbar bookmark for advrider, along with a few speciality sites I hit, and making a run down those in the evening is about all I have time for.

      There is magic when an online community is just the right size though. I think to those early days of advrider, or arstechnica, slashdot, and a few others; when the assembled gang has a chemistry, and the signal to noise ratio is strong. Every site that has become a "success", was bought/sold, became more interested in ads, subscriptions, or attracted so many people that an chemistry that it once had was lost. Because of that, I don't know how I define success anymore. Those closeknit sites usually can't run themselves forever though, any more than the old BBSs, MUDs, and other communities did back in the day. Even if it's just a case of life happening.

    • Thank you so much, Jack. I sometimes think part of my problem is the impression I get of whatever I’m involved in — SmugMug, Cake, ADVrider, Flickr — is really negative because of the PMs and emails I get. I let the messages give me the impression that people don’t care or they actively hate those sites. Sometimes I think I should just shut off PMs on ADV but some of the messages are really important.

    • I think in our online world we hit send way too fast and we are all guilty of reacting as opposed to responding to events. Don’t let the negative PMs get to you. It’s tough I know but .... they are not reality.

    • Thinking about the demise of Cake, led me to review some of it's earlier threads, from before the pandemic; there is so much really great stuff that might be lost, which I find very sad.

      I really miss the B&W photo threads @StephenL used to host

      Book recommendations and reviews

      Travellogues and motorcycles, and books

      Discussions of history, like @Chris fascinating experience attending the 75th anniversary of D-Day

      Sadly, due to the way the data for the pages on Cake.co are parsed, I think, one cannot even print a copy of a thread as my printer only sees the first page or two, no matter how long the thread is. I suspect the same will occur if one tries to save the thread as a pdf, although I haven't given that a whirl yet. And the linked images do not appear in the text either when printed.

      Even threads about Archeoastronomy and back yard photography of celestial objects

      And these are just a very tiny tip of a very large iceberg moving through time....... and hopefully it doesn't melt due to "heat"

    • agreed to this - I enjoyed the photography threads - even as a very amateur photographer with an iPhone !

      I do think the Pandemic and Political Chaos of the last year have exhausted everyone and so much.

      @Chris are you still considering cheaper software still to move cake?

    • Wow. Did not expect to see this. I've been busy in the lab recently and writing about all the books I read this year (which I just posted) that I just did not see this when it was posted a week ago. Truly saddened by the prospect of Cake closing down. It was my new home for my writing after Google+ shuttered, and if Cake is no longer an option I'll need to find a new place to write 😥

      I did notice a drastic decline in activity this year and I thought countless times about asking/posting about it but just never got around to it. I figured with the pandemic and the US election that people just didn't have the energy, time, or motivation to write about anything else. I myself have been less active this year (I think), but that's down to me just being busier with my PhD.

      I hope Cake can figure out a way to stay alive, but if not, it will truly be a big loss.

    • This is something that @JazliAziz has brought up multiple times on here. For good reason, I think.

      I didn't just bring up the idea of more promotion on Twitter, I even volunteered to run the account 😆 I'm on Twitter every day and it wouldn't be much of a hassle for me.

      If Cake wants to be "reborn" in a way, and if the team needs some help with managing the Twitter account I'm still happy to offer my time to volunteer.

    • That you did! Thanks!

      Yeah, I'm a social media buff as well. So, we could have a couple of us step up and run it if needed. You'd get first dibs because you volunteered!

    • I did notice a drastic decline in activity this year and I thought countless times about asking/posting about it but just never got around to it.

      Yeah, there were a couple of factors. One is that at one time we had employees and made it part of their jobs to post every day in order to generate content because content begets content. It's a common strategy to get a site to critical mass. For example, we hired Victoria just to create content. When we couldn't afford her anymore, she went to LinkedIn, where she just writes content. She came from Reddit, where she did the same.

      Traffic to Cake has continued to rise due to SEO so some articles get thousands of views, some tens of thousands and a few get >100,000 views. But the viewers are not converting to new posters.

      Some of our employees went to Apple as we were unable to raise another round of financing and they still love us but can't post because they own some stock in Cake and Apple's employment contracts prevent all conflicts of interest and distractions.

      You were one of the people I thought of constantly because of your amazing articles that you post. BTW, happy to give you logins to our social media accounts, and @slamdunk406 too. We were really fortunate to get the @cake twitter account.

    • I know, it kills me! One of our engineers who still loves us wrote a script to convert any complete conversation to HTML, so we have that option.

      I've been giving some thought to doing an instance of Xenforo on cakery.io to demo how good we can make it and exporting a few conversations to it. If we like it, it can replace the current code on cake.co.

    • Yeah, there were a couple of factors. One is that at one time we had employees and made it part of their jobs to post every day in order to generate content because content begets content. It's a common strategy to get a site to critical mass. For example, we hired Victoria just to create content. When we couldn't afford her anymore, she went to LinkedIn, where she just writes content. She came from Reddit, where she did the same.

      No wonder she went missing. What about @StephenL? I noticed his absence too.

      You were one of the people I thought of constantly because of your amazing articles that you post. BTW, happy to give you logins to our social media accounts, and @slamdunk406 too. We were really fortunate to get the @cake twitter account.

      That'll be cool. Hopefully if given some time we can try to get some momentum going and bring more people over to Cake. I just saw a new user comment on my book post a while ago. He just joined 5 hours ago. Not sure where he joined from, but it shows that we still get the occasional new user signup. Just need to keep them on site and encourage them to post.

    • Victoria still posts when she gets a chance and we exchange Christmas gifts, etc. She's wonderful and makes great posts when she gets the chance. Did you see her post on NorthlandZ?

      I can't speak for StephenL other than to say his personal circumstances changed with his career. We've exchanged a few warm emails but I haven't seen him tweet in awhile either.

    • let Cake go over the rainbow bridge

      Chris, I may be too naive, but what exactly do you mean by that? Can't you just let it run another year or so, without much expense?

    • You were one of the people I thought of constantly because of your amazing articles that you post. BTW, happy to give you logins to our social media accounts, and @slamdunk406 too. We were really fortunate to get the @cake twitter account.

      @Chris, what about volunteer work in other regards? Related to this discussion, I've recently had a look at available topics, just to see where it might make sense to focus attention. I saw many topics that have just a few followers and/or which were used only once or twice before being forgotten.

      Some of these topics could probably be merged or deleted, or past conversations could be looked at to add them to more (or more relevant) topics. Perhaps the "categories" on the search page could use some love as well. I don't know how much help this would be, but I imagine that the current assortment of topics can be both overwhelming for new users, and off-putting if there's just a handful of old conversations especially if something is being advertised via Twitter at the same time.

      To be perfectly honest, I have no idea yet what I'm talking about in terms of scope, and for long I'd even be willing and able to work on that - so I can't emphasize the "volunteer" part enough - but if you think that working on this in whatever fashion might help even a bit, we could talk about that as well.

    • Ghost is very similar to Cake in it's writing and commenting interface, it's a joy to use, but it's not really suitable to run a multi-poster and many comments site like Cake at all.

      NodeBB  is based on the same kind of event driven node.js architecture as Ghost, which makes is really fast compared to most PHP based forum software, and it would be an option that would need a lot less work.

      Aside from that there is forum software. Xenforo, of course, which is a more "traditional" forum platform I guess, but also something like Discourse or Flarum. We are in the middle of implementing a Flarum based forum for a client and I'm really liking it.

      Personally, if it were my project, I would seriously be looking at the options for reducing the maintanence and dev costs of Cake as it runs now but staying with the custom codebase that it has. I'd open-source the code and try to attract people to participate in developing new features, reduce reliance on any expensive external dependencies and replace things that can be replaced with good well maintained opensource libraries.

      I love the look and feel and function of Cake as is, and that would be the best way to preserve and build on those things.

      If that's not an option then any of the things I've listed above would be a good base for building a new version. I'd probably shy away from Discourse because it's heavy in resource use and it just looks like Discourse which is everywhere already. NodeBB, Flarum or Xenforo would be fine though.

    • Chris, with parler being kicked off of the AWS cloud today you're seeing some of them coming here.

      Just a heads up.