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    • @gorudy started an interesting thread on how the thinking 🤔 emoji can be viewed negatively by some.

      If you had a choice to use 🤔 or for thinking as your emoji response, which would you use?

      Please vote via emoji:

      🚀 I would use the hourglass

      🌈 I would stick with the thinker dude

    • I wouldn't mind either, but I wonder if this would solve the underlying issue that is ambiguity.

      Just like the thinking emoji can be interpreted as either

      🤔 "Great conversation starter, I'll have to think about this before I reply.", or
      🤔 "Are you really being serious with what you just posted?!?",

      the hourglass could perhaps be interpreted as

      "Great conversation starter, I'll have to think about this before I reply.", or
      "Can I get a TL;DR, because this post is too long!", or
      "Wow, what a waste of my time!"

      In the end, we will still have to assume good faith, whatever the exact graphic will be. :)

    • interesting. I voted thinker dude but i'd love to see it take a more neutral mouth position.

      Also I personally feel like there's a difference between thinking and wanting to say "interesting".

    • i'd love to see it take a more neutral mouth position.

      I thought this one matched my idea of thinking—the whole cloud 💭 of thoughts idea. (And he’s smiling.)

    • Did you know that there's a thought bubble emoji? 💭

      I definitely did not know, but after several decades I'm still very much an emoticon guy. ;)

    • My sense of this is that we all have our own perceptions and preconceptions and there isn’t a solution that will make everyone happy. Seriously, I thought the hourglass made perfect sense but some people are not put off by 🤔 and therefore are fine with keeping it. Others see the negative potential connotation of hourglass or 💭.

      Sometimes, I’d like to acknowledge to someone that I read their piece that they’ve obviously put some effort into composing. But it’s not appropriate to give a positive emoji based on the subject matter, ie a smiley face would come across as offensive. I think the applause clap is the closest thing I can reach for, but sometimes even that’s not correct.

      I guess it’s trying to communicate objective or neutral information is where emojis fall short: I’m thinking, FYI I read it, etc. We look to emojis for expression of emotions, not actions. And yet, the thinking emoji is conveying an action: I’m thinking. Okay, how about an emoji for “I’m eating a sandwich while I’m reading this”? Do we really even need the thinking emoji. I’m starting to think maybe not: if you’re thinking then why not just wait until you’ve collected your thoughts and then respond?

      Would you check out a conversation because there were a bunch of 🤔 emojis attached to it? My feeling is that answer is no, that you’re interest would be greater based on the number of responses.

    • Do we really even need the thinking emoji. I’m starting to think maybe not: if you’re thinking then why not just wait until you’ve collected your thoughts and then respond?

      This has been an interesting point of view. I believe due to nature of social media, the "thinking face" will not be removed. Not from Cake not anywhere else. Because we all want our dopamine hit. And want it NOW!!!

    • The purpose of emojis, despite the name, is not just convey how you are feeling, or even to indicate an action. Their also here to act as a shorthand for low grade comments which can otherwise clutter up a thread and result in people getting notified for thread updates that really aren’t updates at all. They replace all the little comments like “Nice!” or “I like this.” or “That’s thought provoking.”

      So the thinker doesn’t necessarily mean ‘I’m thinking about it’ any more than the smiley means ‘I’m going to smile about this today’. Emoticons are imperfect and will always be subject to differences of interpretation - just like any communication, but probably more so because they’re a form of short hand.

      Removing one emoticon and relplacing it with another isn’t going to get rid of this ambiguity, because it’s baked into the function of thing itself as a shorthand tool.

      If Cake doesn’t like the ambiguity, then it can make an easily accessible guide to how to use the available emoticons and hope most people stick to it, but even then you’ll never get everyone on board. I think people just need to accept that any ‘convenient’ form of communication is going to be imperfect and move on.

    • I was going to post an emoji expressing general agreement with your post, but then I began to think about which emoji, and how they miight be misconstrued or misinterpreted. A dart in a target might suggest my total agreement or that your comment was worthy of taking pot shots at it. A hand clap might suggest admiration or drying my nails...... So many choices, so little time...

      And now I have cluttered up this thread with a longer post filled with gibberish.

      I should have just given your post a thumbs up emoji....

      🥺

    • Here's another view. What about the oriental, or ancient, or more symbolic languages where as far as my very limited knowledge the cuneiform and/or character symbolized real things and beings? Do they still need emoji? And is that where emoji originated from? Or where they are going to evolve to, when some future race would discover facebook messages full of something akin to exterior graphics on a inter galactic space ship?

    • This has been an interesting point of view. I believe due to nature of social media, the "thinking face" will not be removed. Not from Cake not anywhere else. Because we all want our dopamine hit. And want it NOW!!!

      I agree this is one reason they won’t go away. The flip side of this is that everyone wants to share an opinion these days, even when they don’t have one. So they flip you a thumb or some fingers instead. ✌️

    • I think this is akin to the classic debates of yore:

      Coke or Pepsi?

      Should it be prounced “Jif” or “Gif”?

      Should the toilet paper 🧻 hang under or over the roll?

      Some people hold strong opinions on the matter; advice columnist Ann Landers said that the subject was the most responded to (15,000 letters in 1986) and controversial issue in her column's history. Defenders of either position cite advantages ranging from aesthetics, hospitality, and cleanliness to paper conservation, ease of detaching sheets, and compatibility with pets. Some writers have proposed connections to age, sex, or political philosophy, and survey evidence has shown a correlation with socioeconomic status.[1]

      In the great emoji debate, there are those who think it doesn’t matter, that it’s unsolvable or that it’s a waste of time. Mild sarcasm, such as it’s a “first world problem,” denotes a common attribute of this tribe, but is not a requirement for membership.

      The other tribe is devoted to the clearest form of expression, one that universally conveys one's thoughts, feelings and true intents without distortion. There is a common belief that better emojis do exist than what is currently in use.

      For those who have only used Cake on your smartphone, you should know that on the Desktop you can hover over the emojis to find out their official designation on Cake. This is an old list and a couple replacements may have been made since, but it should still be useful.

      1/4

    • I still can’t believe that no one else liked the hourglass for thinking.

      11 🌈 voted to not change to it.

      But I get that there’s always the possibility of negative connotations. Plus 70% of internet browsing is by smartphone, so you cannot hover over an emoji to view its definition (intention) like you can on the desktop.

    • For what it's worth, I do like the idea of reactions that are not a human face or hand in general.

      Of 60 different emojis, about half are a human face (28-34, depending on whether you want to count the three non-yellow faces and the three monkeys), and another ~20% are gestures. Only one quarter of emojis are objects or concepts.

      I'm just not sure if it's strictly necessary to change an emoji based on that reasoning alone. :)