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    • Apple just release a new Mac mini with their own M1 chip. I’m thinking about replacing my 2008 Mac Pro with one. I’m concerned that you can’t hook an eGPU to this version. Anyone know about the new Mac mini or own and old one?

    • I watched the Apple introduciton of the M1 chip in the Mini, and the 13" MacBook Air and MacBook Pro too. @cvdavis

      When I went to their website to look into possibly ordering a new computer - Mini or MacBook Air - I found two issues not touched on in the Apple premiere online. One CAN order the M1 chips with internal memory only, and only 8 or 16 Gb. I understand having the memory in the M1 chip shortens the data path dramatically, but most of my machines have at least 32GB or 64Gb of memory - so I wonder how this will affect processing speeds for large image databases, since most of my use is for LightRoom and PhotoShop.

      The larger MacBook Pros ( greater than 13 inch I think ) are all still available with multiple Intel CPUs and large amounts of RAM, so I will be curious to see how this all parses out. Greater battery life is nice, but when working at home I have unlimited 110V power.

      I have no doubt that the M1 chip will continue to be upgraded and installed across the board in Apples larger iMacs and MacPro towers, but it may take another year or two. The current MacPro can hold 1.5 Tb of RAM and external video cards, so I am eager to see how this all works out - I am quite excited to see Apple join the RISC processor fray, but am not going to abandon my curent Apple iMacs which are only a couple years old just yet.

      The raw computer power in Apples iPhone X, XI and 12 is truly remarkable, and I look forward to similar improvements on our desktops in the very near future - a year or two. But that means Adobe and other software vendors will have to keep their software updated as well, and despite what they always say, major hardware changes always seem to experience some minor software glitches that can be annoying for a while.

      The future looks very bright for Apple users.

      If the RAM and Video built into the M1 chip are fast enough, the Mac Mini might be a real bargain, but like you, I will wait until I see real world comparisons. The prices seem kind of attractive attractive, but will folks really be satisfied with 8Gb RAM these days?

      I look forward to some nice reviews against machines with larger RAM and external video cards.

    • I had been wondering and reading the exact same thing about the ram. I think since it’s internal that 16g isn’t comparable to 16g. We will see how this plays out next week when we start seeing benchmarks for different tasks. Very interesting new chip and how things will work out. I’ll be watching for some future posts from you on what you make of all this M1 stuff.

    • Do you use LR (the one which works with phones and tablets) or Lightroom Classic? If it's the latter I haven't heard any reports of a timetable for bringing it to ARM so emulation will be key. And that program especially in passive tasks like preview generation or exporting can be really weird with Ryzen CPU's being much faster VS comparable Intel ones than in other programs but at the same time 3000 VS 5000 Ryzen's see almost no difference even though the latter is usually ~20% faster.

      And PS won't be native until sometime next year so how well it emulates x86 code will be key.

      The other thing that I noticed about the keynote was how vague they were about a lot of the comparisons. The one thing that was kinda solid was comparisons to the MacBook Air but that is a really slow computer that's a big generation back from what just came out these past few weeks in both CPU and GPU. That's not to say that this won't be a good computer but if you don't NEED one right now I'd wait a few years for the software to be there, and knowing Apple's SoC development unless they hit a major road block like Intel did with Skylake there should be some serious gains coming. I've been telling my friends who need something now to either get a used Mac or if they're not really in too deep with the Apple ecosystem and just use it for Adobe CC the change to PC is pretty mild and you can get something pretty decent for not much next to Apple prices especially with a Ryzen based system. (I have both and minor differences in the file browsers are the main thing that takes adjustment, otherwise photoshop is photoshop)

    • I don't use LR on an iPad or an iPhone but am considering trying it for certain tasks.

      I use LightRoom Classic on an iMac Pro most of the time and it runs pretty nicely since Adobe began accessing/using GPU cards.

      I use a 13 in MacAir from 2018 for travel, and, I agree, it is slow, and marginally acceptable. The new M1 Mac Air is probably significantly faster, but before I jump the shark, I would like to know how they compare. With a shift to RISC processors coming, I don't want to invest in more Intel iron without a clear understanding of what that entails. I lived through the shift from water cooled Power PC chips, so I have lived through Apple's swaps in hardware processing chips before.

      I find the future very promising, but may be slow to jump aboard until I have a clearer understanding of everything that the future entails.

    • I think since it’s internal that 16g isn’t comparable to 16g.

      Talking about speed, I'm sure it is faster with internal RAM. And it may feel like more than the same amount arranged externally. From a storage standpoint, it will be the same whether it's internal or external. You have 16GB to store your open applications and files. Once that space is filled up, the OS has to start swapping pages out of the RAM and into more permanent storage (HD or SSD) to make room for other files or applications you want to load. All those CPU cycles are essentially wasted, because no real work is getting done. It's not as common anymore, but if memory is too limited for what you're trying to do, you end up thrashing, which is where the CPU spends all available clock cycles on swapping. So if 16GB isn't enough for a user now, moving it onto the chip probably won't make a huge difference. I'm sure it will speed up swapping, but it's better to simply avoid it in the first place because all you're doing is slowing down the computer.

    • Your words “it’ll speed up swapping” may be key here. There’s also likely to be some other tricks Apple has come up with as well but we’ll have to see how that works out. I’m not sure there’s many people who need that much ram and this could be a direction the iMac Pro or Mac Pro take. It’s very interesting to consider. Apple is on to something and I’m also curious if anyone else is going to try the same approach. It’s just seems it’ll be much more effective in a one company does it all environment.

    • I guess the higher tier mac mini can still be purchased with the Intel i7 chip and expandable up to 64G of ram. I wonder if Apple is planning on releasing a higher tier mac mini anytime soon.

    • When I looked earlier, I noticed that the Intel processors were still an option - the only option - if you want more than 8 GB of RAM right now. In their footnotes they say testing was done with 16 GB. I didn't bother watching the announcement, so I don't know if they mentioned anything about higher capacities becoming available soon. But I'm sure they will phase out the Intel versions once they can fit more RAM into the M1 chips.

      It will be interesting to see what they do for people that need tons of RAM. I could see them adding external RAM to the motherboard for systems like the Mac Pro. Then swap to the external memory with the SSD as a secondary swap space.

    • They made no announcements about the future releases. Hard to say what their plans are but the iMac, Mac mini high end and iMac Pro have to do more than the 13”MacBook pro. Even the 16” mbp has to step it up. They already know what they’re doing but nobody else knows. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Using my 2008 Mac Pro still and I’m getting impatient lol.

    • The 2008 MacPro tower was a great machine - I used mine until last year, although I had upgraded the RAM to its maximum, upgraded the video card, and replaced the hard drive with a nice 256GB SSD along the way. When High Sierra came out I finally let it go to someone willing to pay for it...

      So almost a decade of use - I wish all computers were so able to be upgraded.

      I am interested to watch the development of the M1 chip - the 5 nanometer path structure which allows the low battery draw, and hopefully will allow significantly higher RAM amounts than the present 8 or 16 Gb - so the future looks bright. The iPad Pro certainly seems to run some programs very well, and fast indeed.

    • We might also be seeing what would essentially be a mobile version of the processor, similar to what Intel is doing by producing a mobile version and a desktop version of the processors. The desktop version would allow a physically larger space for the chip, so they could dedicate a larger portion to the memory and probably graphics, if necessary.

    • Because it runs at such low temperatures I’m guessing even without changes they could add better cooling and clock it up. Stack it up. It really only has 4 high speed cores right now and much much more amenable to adding cores like Intel has been doing. Even two years from now it’ll be incredible in my mind. Anxious to see what the iMac gets.

      I upgraded my graphics card but still just have 8G of ram because it’s plenty fast enough. I want a new version of my Mac Pro that doesn’t cost $8000.