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    • Yes, he did say that around January 21st — twice — and if TikTok is a source of truth about our scientists, as it is for millions of people in the U.S., then those millions will go on to conclude scientists don't know, as they did.

      One thing that TikTok eliminated was what he said right before that: Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the CDC and the Department of Homeland Security is doing.

      And after:  It’s a very, very low risk to the United States, but it’s something we, as public health officials, need to take very seriously. And it's an evolving situation which could change on a moment's notice.

      Easy for me to say looking back, but I wish he could have acted then (the day after the first case was diagnosed in the U.S.) like the chief scientist in South Korea, Kim Woo-Ju, did right away. But when Fauci did, soon after he made his mid-January statements, the anti-science sentiment that has grown in the U.S. — and now makes us different from places like Vietnam, China, Canada, Taiwan, Germany and New Zealand — Fauci was sidelined and labeled alarmist.

      My personal opinion is it's better to get science from an interview like this than a snippet from TikTok:

    • Isn't Trump's political strategy to accuse his opponents of what he is criticized of? Of course he has to attack Biden for losing it because his own mental health is under scrutiny.

      Both Biden and Trump have slowed down, but Trump says incoherent things and goes off on angry rants like Alzheimer patients do. I haven't seen Biden do that at anywhere near the level Trump does.

    • Covid has been around for over 20 years. Plenty enough time for Fauci to form an opinion about it. Tons of sources (outside of Tic Tok which I used strickly for the entertainment value) and multiples of times he has said masks are worthless and he’s right. Science proves it exactly like he says. It’s so small it goes right thru the mask. He is a scientist and we are supposed to listen to him. We shut the entire country down on HIS advise. Listen to the speaker in the video above and we come back to the common sense I speak of. First follow the greed, the money, the lobbyists and the profiteers. Twice the money being spent than oil. Why? Because they care about us?

      The question he asks is legitimate. Do we want our lives being run by doctors and apparently voodo scientists like Fauci that can’t decide about masks after 20 years studying Covid.

      Fauci by the way is the nations top infectious disease expert.

    • That'll be this event then?

      Truth bombs from an 'Patriot' event where the headliners include

      a convicted felon,
      a right wing conspiracy theorist,
      an antivaxxer,
      a DR that promoted Hydroxychloroquine and other things through a group of dr's calling themselves 'America's Frontline Doctors' that was later shown that none of the dr's in the group actually served in a frontline capacity against Covid, most had no qualifications relating to disease control, 1 was an opthamologist, and at least one of them wasn't even registered,

    • I don't know what has happened to America. We have shocked the world. DangerDave is from Australia (1794 deaths), Eddieb from New Zealand (24 deaths), cvdavis from Canada (9608 deaths) and they, like the rest of the world, have their jaws on the floor about videos like that. You would think with our 215,000 deaths we'd be a little bit humble about where we are going wrong and listen to scientists and doctors in countries that are now far more advanced than us.

      Did any sentence that man said make sense? Was any of it true? "Vaccines can be approved in 2 days." Tell President Trump that as he gets increasingly more frustrated about how long the approval process takes.

      "Biden's plan is to lock everything down so all jobs go away. Therefore China will rule the world." How does that make sense? China did lock everything down and that's why they can rule the world. Same with all the countries like New Zealand who hold live sporting events now. How are sporting events in the U.S. doing?

    • Covid has been around for over 20 years.

      Has it? I understood the name to have originated on February 11 of this year. Do you mean to say Coronavirus? That seems to have been around for milennia.

    • Many people also don’t realize Biden has a stutter. People who stutter often can mask it but it uses a lot of mental focus. This would detract from their overall speaking ability.

    • Australia (1794 deaths)

      Nah. Currently 898 deaths. 349 Active cases and 19 new cases.

      The 19 new is a significant jump over the past fortnight's figures unfortunately. But the second wave in Victoria seems to be subsiding.

      But yeah we've had generally sound state and federal Covid management, excellent economic relief and social security - Medical officers' advice has been strictly adhered to and we have universal free health care.

      Basically everything America hasn't.

    • Oh, I misread the data. Thanks for the clarification. I accidentally mistook the Aus total for a Territory like Victoria and added them together.

      As long as I have you, can you do another fact check? Is this how Australians really feel?

    • I think too specific and a little heavy on the schadenfreude for most.

      I'd say more it's more a 'general you-are-kidding-me incredulity' with a dose of sympathy for the right-minded citizens.

      Also a fair bit of relief that we aren't in your shoes.

    • A cow and a pig are both mammals but not everything that is true for one is true for the other as an example pigs do not chew their cud.

      The fact that other viruses are corona shaped does not mean that they are the same virus.

      Your statement that "covid has been around for twenty years" is like suggesting that cows and pigs are the same. Covid-19 is not the same virus as other corona shaped viruses. Covid-19 has been around for less than two years.

      If what you said was true then why were those politicians whom you admire caught unprepared. You are actually insulting those you support when you suggest that they did not know in 2017 that this virus was already around. You make it sound like they are incompetent and that they lack vigilance.

    • I'm not sure the science is all over the place, but some of the press and politicians are. That article was written by a Rupert Murdoch organization, so might as well read Fox news, which is also owned by Murdoch and known as a primary misinformation vector.

      If you read what the scientists wrote and go to WHO's website, they are arguing that lockdowns should not be the primary control of infection, and when they are used they should be short and sharp. The primary controls they recommend are social distancing, masks, avoiding large crowds, ventilating indoor spaces well, and washing hands.

      The trouble in America is we politicized some primary controls like mask wearing and distancing, so we ended up with horrendous death rates. Reopening schools and sporting events hasn't worked well because of the high numbers of people (not scientist or doctors) who say there is no coronavirus and it's a myth, and masks don't work.

      Remember how the hardest thing in controlling Ebola in Africa was misinformation? Well, Ebola didn't make it here but misinformation did and death followed.

    • Former Australian Prime Minister has called for a 'Royal Commission' (Senate Inquiry) into News Corp.

      One salient paragraph is:

      "With politicians running for cover, the Murdoch royal commission is a long shot. But, if it does get up, James Murdoch, Rupert's youngest son, could give evidence, given he has just explained why he "pulled the ripcord" and quit the family firm over editorial direction of Fox News. "A contest of ideas shouldn't be used to legitimise disinformation," he told The New York Times. At "great news organisations", the mission should be "to introduce fact to disperse doubt — not to sow doubt".

      There's your witness for the prosecution right there."

      - Brisbane Times.

    • Exactly, when sources are quoted that no one trusts what good are they? News has turned propoganda and sources have turned political. So as to my original point in this thread we must rely on our own common sense. When science tells us that the disease is smaller than a hair and wearing a mask is like trying to stop a mosquito with a chainlink fence we believe them. Because it’s commons sense. But we can extrapolate that common sense further. Touching infected surface then touching your mask infects the mask. Yet everyone touches their mask many many times per day. If a mask is contaminated with a deadly pandemic then why are there no disposal protocols? I see masks all over parking lots. Shouldn’t hazmat be there picking them up? Is it a pandemic at all? It certainly doesn’t come close to the seasonal flu stats. You see we can spin ourselves into the ground with all the contradiction and in the end we realize it has all turned political.

      Blue states shutdown, Red states open.

      99.6% survival rate and we are all supposed to live in fear. Lakers win and thousands celebrate in the streets while churches are still shut down.

      None of this makes any more sense than my own common sense.



    • Only in America where our death rate is way above the rest of the world are masks very controversial, and even in America they aren't controversial among scientists and doctors.

      There are good publications like Nature that show data from scientists who have given decades of their life to this question, and the unequivocal conclusion is masks work:

      When science tells us that the disease is smaller than a hair and wearing a mask is like trying to stop a mosquito with a chainlink fence