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    • ICE-ing is the act of using internal combustion engine vehicles to block EV charging stations. @jpop brought it to Cake's attention in another conversation, thank you.

      I just don't understand the mentality of people who do this, and it looks like it could be a growing problem. What's the reasoning behind it? Is it secretly rooted in jealousy that Tesla's are so much more advanced machines than their trucks?

      Photo: electrek

    • I don't get it either. But I think there's actually only a tiny number of people who are ICEing on purpose to be mean โ€” it just makes headlines because it's scary and seems like a dramatic conflict.

      When I took an epic Tesla Model 3 road trip last summer through what I would affectionately refer to as "big truck country", one of the things I was worried about was running into EV haters in the south and the midwest. Especially since my destination was literally a ranch deep in the heart of rural Texas.

      It turns out all my worries were completely unfounded. I didn't have any problems at any of the dozens of superchargers I stopped at. Nobody keyed my car or rolled coal at me or tried to run me off the road. In fact, everywhere I went people were really interested in the car and wanted to know more about it.

      I had a great conversation about EVs with a retired Trump supporter in a hotel parking lot in Amarillo while supercharging. An old fellow who was mowing the lawn next to a supercharger in Kansas stopped his mower and came over to chat (he wanted to know the car's top speed). My extremely conservative grandparents (owners of the aforementioned ranch) both wanted rides. Grandma said it was the most comfortable car she'd sat in, and after the ride Grandpa asked me if there were any Tesla service centers nearby.

      I think there are some people who just like to start fights, and that handful of people would love for there to be drama between EV owners and ICE owners, but the vast majority of people don't care and just think a cool car is a cool car, no matter what's under the hood.

    • I might be completely wrong on this subject, but it seems to me that people who are ICE-ing are just trying to get attention. Look at the photo in the first post - all are driving trucks. It could be a coincident but maybe it is a telling sign.

      I can't imagine this behavior tolerated if Tesla charging stations had a convenience store with an attendant and a business to run. There would be a police on site and towing trucks real fast.

      Imagine a flip scenario where a regular gas station would suddenly have electric cars parking in front of the pumps, preventing people from getting gasoline. There would be uproar like no other. But most Tesla charging stations now are tucked away and unattended, which makes this behavior a nuisance for most people but a major pain for Tesla owners.

      Some people are parking the progress, while others are driving it into the future ๐Ÿ˜œ

    • But most Tesla charging stations now are tucked away and unattended...

      This is actually the source of my biggest realistic fear about supercharging. I'm not worried about ICEing or EV-haters, but I would actually be worried about stopping at certain superchargers after dark. Some of them are very isolated or in sketchy areas where I definitely wouldn't feel safe by myself at night.

      In fact, if I saw a few big trucks ICEing the stalls at an isolated supercharger after dark, I'd probably feel a lot safer. ๐Ÿ˜„

    • it seems to me that people who are ICE-ing are just trying to get attention

      Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Big truck, body lift, gnarly tires, deep exhaust, etc. etc. The personality of those that drive big, jacked up trucks for looks might be the same personality that is predisposed to ICE-ing.

      There are a lot of diesel truck drivers out there who get a thrill out of seeing black smoke dump out their tailpipes when they accelerate. These drivers call it Rolling Coal, and some are so infatuated with the sensation that they heavily modify their trucks. They "Chip" their trucks, meaning they add/replace a chip on the ECU to change the engine performance to dump more fuel in the engine on acceleration. Some even remove particle filters that absorb diesel particulate in the exhaust fumes.

      A lot of auto enthusiasts I know are deeply attached to the internal combustion engine. It's a beautiful feat of engineering and has more than a hundred years of rich history in motorsports. I suspect the threat that someone like Tesla might render internal combustion engines obsolete might even be scary to the ICE-ers. It's obvious that the electric motor is going to replace the internal combustion engine fairly soon. The internal combustion engine is an American cultural icon. Maybe it's too philosophical, but ICE-ing or Dumping Coal could be an expression of sadness for something that will soon best lost.

    • I live in a small town and there is a ev charger right in front of a department store. It takes up two carparks.
      We have very few evs in our town and I admit I park in those parks if the car park is full.
      It's such a small town/country I just can't imagine anyone ever needing to use it ether.

    • This is heartwarming. I've been in a number of X's and S's over the years, but didn't get in a 3 until a few weeks ago. I had a similar change of heart when stepping into the 3.

      I went from thinking it was a dummed-down Model X that's a bit cheaper to how to I find the money to buy one of these now. My god, the Tesla experience keeps getting better.

    • I'm not sure how I feel about this. An ICE-prevention device like this is just one more thing that slows down supercharging at busy chargers (since you have to wait for it to recognize you, holding up the line) and that can break, leaving a stall unusable.

      It's already pretty common to arrive at a supercharger and find that one or two stalls are out of service or malfunctioning because of a hardware issue, or because someone backed into them and broke them. It would be incredibly frustrating to arrive at a supercharger and discover that an ICE-prevention devices in a stall is malfunctioning and won't let you park.

      I hope ICEing doesn't become such a widespread problem that solutions like this are necessary. It doesn't feel like we're anywhere near that point yet.

    • On another issue, police in the city I live in (Mountain View, CA) say the last two months set records for vehicle break-ins due to a vulnerability with Teslas. Thieves can break the quarter window without setting off an alarm, giving them access to the handles to fold down the back seats and looking for valuables in the trunk.

      They said a couple of Tesla DIYers came up with a solution but that it's not hard to defeat:

    • Cory and I just drove 1200mi on the first half of a road trip not quite as epic as yours. Almost every supercharger we hit was empty. I think across those 1200 miles and 7 (8?) supercharger stops we saw a total of four other Teslas charging. Three of those were them pulling out as we pulled in, or vice versa.

      The destination chargers on the other hand... way more problems with those. They tend to be close in to places, unlike the super chargers that are tucked away behind or way off to the side of places. Iโ€™m glad Iโ€™m not staying here just for a day. Both destination chargers at the place we are staying for the week weโ€™re iced when we got here, the rest of that day and overnight and most of today. I finally got a chance to plug in today. Which was good, I got to see the snowflake on the battery gauge for the first time today!