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    • jaleelking

      I've mostly coverage protests and event like this in Philadelphia, where I'm from. When the march was announced I knew I wanted to be there and it would be my first time travelling to cover a major event.

    • jaleelking

      Covering these types of events are not easy for me because I use a wheelchair but realistically I'm vertically challenged in crowds. Thankfully I had the help of my friend Autumn Pittelli who saw first hand my challenges. Despite what I needed to do it was all worth it for this day.

    • Chris

      Fantastic, Jaleel.  ❤️More! I hope you don't mind me posting that you are in a wheelchair because you're a victim of gun violence. You're one of the most inspiring people I know.

    • jaleelking

      Part of the beauty of this day was the diversity that was on display. Families, nationalities, young and old, came together to support call. Even those who may not have been in full support gun control were there.

    • jaleelking

      People were there for those who were still yet to come in order for them to hopefully have a better future. One where they won't have to worry about lock-down drills or teachers carrying firearms.

    • jaleelking

      Change isn't always easy but it is always necessary. Those who were here, were ready for a positive change. Something better than what they've been getting.

    • jaleelking

      People were energetic and passionate about why they wanted to be there. While not all will be able to vote in 2018, more will be able to vote in 2020. Even it takes longer, they will remember.

    • jaleelking

      There is something thought provoking about seeing a photo from such a historic moment that features a man who marched for change. Yet in 2018 he watches on as those rally for change. These fights continue despite the sacrifices of so many before us.

    • neduro

      I hope this is an appropriate place to think out loud about this topic, because I'm conflicted about it and I sense that there is an informed/ thoughtful/ open-minded group circling this topic on Cake. If this is not the appropriate place, I would be happy to delete my post and start a different thread, but I hope that having the power of the marches as the setting would make for a more meaningful discussion.

      In no particular order, here are some thoughts:

      1) There is an unavoidable emotional component of this question. Of course we must protect our children in school. But when making laws, I think emotion should provide the impetus but logic should provide the details. In my admittedly brief perusal of proposals, they seem emotionally driven more so than logically. The previous assault weapons ban seemed like an emotional law, and it seems hard to unequivocally prove that it was effective in reducing gun violence.

      If we, as a country, are going to work on gun control, I hope we do a good job at it. To me, a good job means maximum benefit (lessened gun violence) for minimum impact to freedom (preserving rights where possible). I think those tradeoffs are the basis of our constitution. For us to get it right, I think there has to be room for more discussion about methods, opportunities, and impacts than I have witnessed, where people listen as well as shout.

      2) I'm a gun owner who reluctantly joined the NRA as the only avenue to joining the shooting club in my old town (the NRA provided the insurance so all club members had to be NRA members). The moment I moved, I canceled my membership with relief. Their magazine always made me feel sort of sick- it seemed like populist fear-mongering at its worse. I'm not anti-gun, but I am anti-NRA.

      3) I agree with the idea that thoughts and prayers are not enough. I agree that even if no change in gun law will be the ultimate answer to violence, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I agree that current laws are too open, in my view especially around licensing and training.

      4) We send our young men and women to war at 18, I struggle to see that raising legal age to buy (from the current 21/18) makes sense unless we also want to change the age when we can recruit for the armed forces. The most responsible gun owners I know have owned gun since a very young age.

      5) My suspicion is that laws aimed at hardware are going to be hard to create and enforce, especially with such an incredible inventory of essentially unregistered weapons already in safes around the country.

      The question I have is what could be done around training, which might have many benefits- reducing accidents, giving LE another touch point to use when processing background checks, and a chance to make the impact of gun violence real. If someone possessed a gun, but didn't have the requisite class, there would be an easy law to enforce. This also deals with the incredible amount of inventory- getting people to register their guns would be impossible, but getting them to take the appropriate classes, and then having checks when they go to shows, matches, or buy ammo would pretty quickly get people on board.

      Of course, the classes couldn't be 100% effective in dealing with gun violence either, but that brings us back to #3 on the list above.

      6) Independent of anything to do with guns, it is really hard for me to see a young generation fighting to limit their rights. My alma mater had a round of lobbying for safe spaces (aka censorship) that makes my stomach turn- how can we move forward if we can't even discuss facts? This is related insofar as people are asking to have less freedom than they had before, but it's a lot easier for me to grasp as it relates to guns.

      7) The oversimplified partisan divide saddens me (on this topic and many others). I think many city dwellers don't really understand what guns mean, and how they are used, to many rural people. The same lack of connection applies in reverse. It would sure be nice if we approached these topics as Americans who seek to understand even their distant neighbor, and find what common ground there is, rather than taking a nuke and pave approach to debate.

      8) I would be all for uninventing guns, if such an option existed. It doesn't. With that in mind, I think there must be real attention paid to making sure that not only criminals and cops have guns. Two of my immediate close friends have had to defend themselves with guns, and in both cases, police would have been too late. I'm glad they are still around.

      9) Arming teachers strikes me as unadulterated madness.

      10) The shift in values is amazing to me. I went to high school in upstate NY in the early 1990s, and it was common to bring guns to school to go hunting at a friends house. That same school has metal detectors now.

      All in all, I'm more confused than certain. I'd love to hear what people who went to the marches think would be effective measures, and how they see the tradeoffs.

    • Chris
      Chris MacAskill

      Neduro, I think your post identified the biggest problem: we don’t know. We don’t know because, unlike other dangerous topics like driving and flying, we don’t do much research. So we imagine and fear. We fear our guns being taken from us. We fear angry men will still be able to shoot our children.

      When the government starting researching car deaths and adding regulations, my father became as emotional and furious as gun owners are now. He removed seatbelts from our car because the government had no right...

      But we didn’t take the cars away. We let consumers buy cars that go 200 and burn out. And yet, deaths per 100,000 miles driven has dropped by 95%, a lot of that from children.

      We didn’t take planes away either. You can still buy super fast private jets. And yet the safety record is now amazing. Because we did the research and followed the facts.

    • Chris

      That was pretty interesting from Scott Adams. But can you really afflict as much damage from a pistol as an AR 15? My understanding from doctors is the high-velocity bullets of AR 15s produce much more devastating wounds.

      I was at a classic car show on Sunday, mostly attended by older men, just a day after the March For Our Lives rallies. It was a bit of a shock because the gun culture runs deep there.

    • AceRph

      There's more to it than just bullet speed. Type of bullet (hollow point, solid, frangible, mass), distance to target, shooter skill. Probably other stuff that doesn't come immediately to mind.

    • jaleelking

      She was teacher who came out to support the students. While she taught elementary school she believed in movement enough to show her support.

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