A recycling fee for drinkable liquids - sodas, or beers, or wine, or water, or all of the above??

Sold in glass bottles, plastic bottles, or aluminum cans - or all of the above??

Inquiring minds want to know. How long have the recycling fees been in place?

I don't think I noticed recycling fees on a couple of my road trips through Calgary over the years, but then I wasn't really paying attention as I drove along either.

You @cvdavis describe folks harvesting bottles out of ditches and garbage cans - that would have been me when I was 10 or 12 years old. But back then, only glass soda bottles rewarded one a recycling fee.

You also mentioned that even with recycling fees many bottles still get discarded into the environment. Is that discarding just laziness, a failure to understand the consequences of random discarding , or, possibly, even a political statement???

I notice when travelling, along many backroads in the USA, that the ditches and road sides are often littered with discards of trash and bottles and cans. You can often see plastic bags blowing about on freshly plowed fields at times, too. Something I don't remember seeing many years ago.

Why is it so hard to get everyone to appreciate a clean tidy environment, enough to make an effort to maintain it?

Your guess is as good as mine. I do know that some cultures think differently about recycling and garbage. People see the garbage carried away and then never think of it again. Some are lazy. Wide assortment of reasons. Many bottles that have been sent to recyclers get burned or just buried sometimes and that is disheartening. We will likely have to wait until new recycling techniques and new plastic that doesn’t degrade each time it’s recycled. There are some promising things in the works.

New...

Tucson will eliminate glass from list of items accepted in curbside recycling programStarting Feb. 1, glass will no longer be accepted in residential and commercial blue bins, but will instead be collected at 22 drop-off sites around Tucson.tucson.com

We'll now grind up the bottles and other glass materials, and turn it into sand.

The sand will then be used for construction materials, etc.

Apparently, it's cheaper this way.

I have read about the use of glass and some types of plastic for composite road surfaces too. Maybe they will succeed,

I certainly hope so.

I don't think the large dead batteries from EVs will be used in road surfaces though....

Here’s the inevitable trend:

Electric vehicle models expected to triple in 4 years as declining battery costs boost adoptionElectric vehicles are approaching cost parity with traditional gas-powered vehicles, but experts disagree on just how much further battery prices must drop.www.utilitydive.com

In rural areas, adoption will be hindered as long as charging stations are sparse. Although I have desired an electric car for a long time, I know that keeping it charged where I live would make it impractical.

I don't think the large dead batteries from EVs will be used in road surfaces though....

Probably not.

Like lead-acid batteries have been for decades, the components *can* be recycled. The costs associated with that use are NOT included in the total cost of ownership of an EV, a hybrid or any other component of a modern motor vehicle.

Consider some of those *other* materials in a vehicle, the metals and the plastics used to create a myriad of assemblies. Anybody really taking into account the costs there?

"End-of-life" calculations are terrible. A lot of assumptions get made, then your customer just doesn't do things as you expected them to.

When you buy a vehicle tire you pay the recycle fee right up front. Needs to be done with ev batteries when you buy the car.

That *first* set of tires the car is delivered with has no recycle fee (at least here in the U.S.). Now, when I wear that first set of tires out, I do have to pay that fee at any place that's selling me a new tire.

Identical principle for the 12V battery used in ICE vehicles.

If it costs $10,000 to replace the EV battery, if my state tacks on a 10% recycle fee (for example), then I guess I'm out $11k for that EV battery.

Story in the news just recently where a older Tesla was bought dirt-cheap. Owner sent the car to an after-market technical (hard to call him a mechanic) service place. For a (significant) fee, the single cell that caused the car to have issues was replaced.

As an electrical technician, my suspicion is majority of issues are going to be diagnosed, but probably not repaired - correctly. That market seems to be ripe for the picking.

I'm amazed at the number of people out there who don't properly recycle. Even in today's day and age.

Remember car batteries will first go to power plant storage for many more years of service before it needs to be recycled.

Remember car batteries will first go to power plant storage for many more years of service before it needs to be recycled.

How many and in what countries do these EV power plants exist currently?

I couldn’t tell you without looking that up but the numbers are sure to go up fast.