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    • Here's a photo of my friend @Scobleizer driving his Tesla Model 3 hands free in the so called suicide lane over the Golden Gate Bridge. I took it while hanging out the back of an SUV driving in front of him (my wife was driving). Over the past 20 years I have shot thousands of photographs from the road while driving as I've been chronicling America. I'm actually very careful when I'm doing photography while driving, but it definitely makes some people nervous who are riding with me while I drive (just ask @DanielKrieger ). Eventually most people realize I'm pretty careful about it and relax with it a bit after a few hours. I'm 50 now and never have been in an accident in my life despite the thousands of miles driven and thousands of photographs taken.

      The car I'm driving right now is pretty old. It's a 2000 Ford Expedition. I don't really like buying cars because I view them as depreciating assets and so I generally hold off as long as possible. With four teenagers in the house (two with drivers licences, one with a learners permit and one on the way) also, an almost 20 year car makes a good car to share with them. I assume one of them will probably crash it at some point and I'll have to deal with that.

      Another reason why I haven't bought a new car is because I'm waiting to see how all this self driving technology shakes out. I figure in four years all the teens will be off to college and we should have more visibility about what is happening/possible by then. I think I'll probably buy a new car then.

      Maybe it will be a Tesla like Robert drives. He seems to love his Tesla.

      I'm not so sure how I feel about Tesla myself. I like the design and love that it seems the most self drivable car available right now, but I have mixed feelings about it being electric. With a gas car I like that I can pretty much gas up anywhere and be in and out of a gas station in maybe 5-10 minutes. With the electric charging stations it seems like you have to wait longer and plan more carefully as there are a lot less of them. Maybe this won't be the case in 4 years though. Electric cars do seem cheaper to drive though.

      Ideally I'd love a car that integrated with Google Maps. Next week I'm driving from St. Louis to Fargo, North Dakota. I haven't shot Minnesota yet and am looking forward to that. I'd love to be able to just have my car integrate with my Google Map I've made with each state along the way and figure out the best route to hit all of the pins of the things that I want to shoot. I could just hang out the window (or better just put the top down on a convertible) shooting the entire time while the fully autonomous car drove and then when it got to my locations it could just park and I could get out and shoot what I want to shoot and get back in and have it whisk me off to the next location, after checking Waze and figuring out the best route to get there. I would love to also be able to talk to the car and tell it to slow down if it's driving me through a particularly photogenic area, so I could shoot more shots. Maybe a car that does that is four years in the future? Maybe not too.

      Is anyone else excited by all of this self driving technology? Any thoughts on where things are headed and what/who (besides Tesla) to pay attention to? Is waiting four years the right move?

    • Godriguez (a.k.a. mark rodriguez)

      i am the same way with my cars. i see them more of a necessity than a want and hold onto my cars till the wheels fall off (sometimes literally)

      i currently am driving a 2008 explorer and though it isn't as pretty as it once was, it still runs great and that is all i need a car to do, be dependable and get me places

      i agree about the electric cars and the need to pre-plan trip accordingly and that is of no interest for me as i like to just take off and explore and it is a lot easier to find a gas station than a charging station. also, if you run out of gas, AAA can bring you gallon and your on your way, i doubt they could charge your car and get you back up and running and a tow truck would be your only option at that point to get you to a charging station...if there even is one nearby

      i am not hating on the electric cars, just not for me and the way i like to drive

    • Awesome photo! It's the perfect place to take it, the shot is aligned so well, the colors pop. Wow.

      I've seen that NEO FAN license plate twice while driving and didn't realize it was him. 😳 If I had known, I would have messed with his self driving Tesla, all for public service you understand. Hey, someone needs to stress test the software a little and keep Robert awake.

      Robert said the other day that he thinks Tesla is really well suited for the future because once self-driving is great and we trust it, you many not need to buy a Tesla. Just page one whenever you want and have it take you places. Kinda like Uber but in a self-driving Tesla! Mmmm, I could like that.

      Btw, I'm even worse than you for cars. I have a '98 Honda Passport and my wife's car is a '99. But you and I have other depreciating assets like CAMERAS, no? My wife says she gave me an unlimited budget for camera equipment and I exceeded it.

    • Great photo!

      Is anyone else excited by all of this self driving technology? Any thoughts on where things are headed and what/who (besides Tesla) to pay attention to? Is waiting four years the right move?

      Despite owning a Model 3, I'm still a little skeptical about Tesla's ability to deliver on their full self driving promises within the next four years.

      I absolutely love the car, and I use Autopilot often. I even took a 5,000+ mile road trip and let Autopilot do most of the driving. But as much as I came to trust Autopilot to control the car under close supervision, there were a lot of little things I noticed on that trip that made me skeptical about ever being able to trust it to operate without supervision.

      For instance, at various points on this trip I encountered road construction that resulted in altered lanes or detours, sometimes with lots of cones or even tight concrete barriers on both sides. Autopilot is no good in abnormal situations like this, especially when lane markings are absent or misleading (like when crossing into the opposite lane in a construction zone). This is a problem I think Tesla can solve eventually, but it'll be hard.

      Another class of problem I encountered was road debris. While driving through eastern Oregon, Idaho, and Wyoming, the highways were littered here and there with shredded tire treads from semi trucks. Sometimes I had to swerve to avoid hitting them. On one occasion, a car ahead of me ran over a tire tread and kicked it in front of me so quickly that I couldn't avoid it, and I ran over it. Luckily it didn't do any damage, but I still had to pull off at the next exit to inspect the car before I was sure it was safe to continue.

      In Colorado, I ended up behind a gravel truck that was leaking a steady stream of gravel, peppering my poor car with tiny nicks and scratches. As soon as I realized what was happening I got the hell away from it, but would a self-driving car even have known what was going on if it couldn't hear and feel the plinks and thwacks of tiny flying rocks hitting the body and windshield?

      In Texas I spent a week visiting my grandparents at their ranch, which required driving down a long, pothole-ridden county road and a few dirt roads. Lots of those potholes are big enough to cause serious damage, so you need to swerve around them. Autopilot currently can't identify or avoid potholes, and it's not clear if this is something it will ever be able to do.

      What would Autopilot have done in these scenarios without a human in the car? Even a perfect computer driver couldn't have avoided hitting that tire tread, and it wouldn't have been able to inspect the car for damage afterward like I could. Would it have continued driving, possibly unsafely, or would it have just stopped somewhere and waited to be rescued?

      This all sounds very negative, but I really do love Autopilot as a driver assistance tool, and I've already seen it get better over time. I think self-driving cars with human drivers supervising them will eventually be ubiquitous, even on complex city streets. But I'm skeptical about Tesla's ability to deliver a car that can truly drive itself safely and reliably between any two navigable points without a human inside, at least within the next decade. I'd love to be proven wrong though!

      So, should you wait to buy a "self-driving" car?

      If you're in the market for a new car now, and if your budget allows it, I think the Tesla Model 3 is one of the best cars you could buy. It continues to improve with free over-the-air updates. I suspect Tesla has a better chance at bringing full self driving to market than any other car manufacturer right now.

      I'd bet that in four years either your Model 3 will have full self-driving capability delivered via an OTA update and a minor hardware upgrade, or no consumer-purchasable car will have full self-driving capability yet.

      Either way you'll have spent four years driving a Model 3, which isn't a bad way to pass the time while you wait. 😉

    • a lot of little things I noticed on that trip that made me skeptical about ever being able to trust it to operate without supervision.

      Yep. Mine has the original autopilot -- late 2014. The radar/software pretty much ignores static objects. I fully understand how that Model S ran into a parked fire truck a while back. It wasn't moving. But once the Tesla sees movement it does a pretty good job of following. Too good, sometimes. It seems to give more weight to what the car in front of you is doing than lane markers.

      Has version 9 improved things for cars with autopilot II?

    • Has version 9 improved things for cars with autopilot II?

      I've only had the new version for about a week, but it does seem improved.

      It's much more aware of the cars around it now, and it can see many more lanes on wide highways. Autopilot seems pretty sure of itself, is more confident about changing lanes, and feels smoother in stop and go traffic. And the new visual warning when you turn the blinker on while someone's in your blind spot is nice, although I wish there were also an audible warning.

    • I must admit our Honda Accord has better blind spot detection/indication than our Tesla. Being a version 1 autopilot the Tesla only has the ultrasonic parking sensors for the blind spot. You can't really trust them at all. The Honda has a radar on both ends of the rear bumper (I think). It will also give an audible indication if there is a vehicle in the blind spot when the blinkers are enabled.

    • Good point on cameras being depreciating assets. When I was sitting in @Scobleizer Tesla with him he remarked that his Tesla was the world's most expensive camera. :)

    • Now that's a great endorsement for Tesla! Sounds like I may need to buy a convertible one when they finally come out with one in a few years. Even without full autopilot I bet I could do quite a bit more photography while driving around in one with autopilot.

    • Thomas, you would have gotten a kick out of this photoshoot. We opened the side door of a minivan and your buddy Ivan shot this of @VilTri while I drove the van. Maybe I should drive you around SF or Oakland sometime while you shoot.

      I used to drive Anton Lorimer around in an SUV with the hatch open so he could hang out the back and film a Ferrari on a twisting road, similar to how you shot @Scobleizer on the bridge.

    You've been invited!