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    • That Fuji is a great camera for sure and virtually anything in this list will pale in comparison unless you spent crazy money, both my P&S camera were around $200 each, so not a big investment.

      I really wanted to share a documented report by a motorcyclist who ride around Afghanistan for a month on a 50 year old motorcycle only using the small Fuji X100S, his images were amazing and more than a few people asked if he was shooting for NG...sadly he appears to have closed his account on Smugmug

    • I love my Sony RX100 V as a point and shoot camera. Bought it used for $500 a few months ago. After shooting a few thousand photos, I'm still impressed with it. I also recommend shooting RAW with it since there is so much detail to recover, while post-processing.

      While I also shoot with the iPhone X, if I know that I'll be taking more than a dozen photos, the Sony becomes my primary camera.

      Here is my Sony RX100 V

    • Things I like about RX100 V:

      1. 24-70mm (equivalent) f1.8-2.8 lens. Version V (5) is the last one of the series to use this lens with f1.8 opening at the 24mm focal length. All versions after that one have more zoom 24-200mm.

      2. The back screen flips up and out. I like shooting with the camera low, and the screen flipped up like shooting from the hip. I can't do that with a phone.

      3. LCD viewfinder for shooting in bright light.

    • Things I don't like about RX100 V:

      1. Soft images. I blame Sony's lens as I'm used to shooting with sharp prime lenses.

      2. Need more customizable buttons.

      3. Need a bigger battery. I get about 300-400 RAW shots out of a single battery. So I usually carry at least one spare.

      Also, why do we need a flash?

      If there is enough interest, I can write up an in-depth review of the Sony RX100 V. Just let me know.

    • sadly only @chris could do that i think, his username was ironically 'the tourist' and his account seems to have been canceled/ deleted from Smugmug

    • I chose the V2 over later models because it has better battery life, a slightly better zoom to 100mm vs your V5 and the price was right. i do agree with you about the LCD screen though, mine doesn't have that and its a feature I've gotten used to from other cameras and I miss it

    • I had a post written and then I deleted because it was about smaller intechangeable lens bodies - think Canon 90D or several of the smaller m4/3 bodies. Not about P&S bodies.

      As I look back through my LR catalog, I used to always carry a P&S in addition to a DSLR when I travelled, but that stopped about the time I aquired a better phone cam, 6 or 8 years ago.

      So I am back where I started. If I am going to carry a non-interchangealbe lens camera it has to be a pretty good one or I'll just use my iPhone X. which is not even a quasi current phone cam, but does function in portrait mode and offer 1X and 2X shooting, and will make nice screen saver 5K images on my iMacPro

      A smaller m4/3 like the Panasonic DC-GX9, or even the Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II Mirrorless Micro Four Thirds Digital Camera with a pancake lens ( Panasonic 20mm f1.7 II ASPH and costs only $297.00 ) fits in a pocket pretty easily and still offers the luxury of swapping lenses if desired. As I wander through my LR catalog I am always surprised how good many of my m4/3 images look at reasonable sizes. Easy to edit too.

      For me a P&S has to fit in coat pocket size pocket, and the GX9 with a 20mm pancake lens does that easily.

      Another body in that vein, is the Canon M6 II. Again, the size of a deck of cards, but with an adapter it will take all EF-S and EF lenses Canon makes, and it has the 32.5 Mpxl sensor of the 90D, it has dual pixel AF, and can fire 30 frames per second if that is of interest. The Canon M mount 22mm f2.0 STM lens is almost a pancake lens so the M6 with the 22mm lens is very similar in size to the Panasonic GX9 - deck of card sized body. And it shoots both lovely stills stills and very nice video. Its LCD screen does not pivot horizontally but extends up and down vertically for vlogging.

      Might be worth a look.

    • On Vilen’s recommendation, I bought the Sony RX100 VII and took it to Morocco. IMO, it’s 85% of an SLR for most things and 200% of an iPhone.

      I didn’t expect to use it so much but, for example, it crushes it as a webcam for streaming, which I do all the time. As a still camera, the 200mm zoom is awesome.

    • I agree with what you are saying here, I have a 20mm pancake for my Sony and if it's open to 5.6 the images are ridiculously sharp, I took just that set up traveling for a few weeks and was happy with the outcome.

      ...but the question and conversation was to talk about great point and shoot cameras, not small dslr's, micro 4/3 etc, that could be a whole other conversation

      As @chris states in a later reply

      On Vilen’s recommendation, I bought the Sony RX100 VII and took it to Morocco. IMO, it’s 85% of an SLR for most things and 200% of an iPhone.

      Phones are good but they do not have the capabilities of 'real camera' just yet, they are getting better for sure.

      It's interesting to look at what people buy on Amazon, here are their top 50 selling P&S cameras, looks like it's definitly predicated by price and not quality

      verses B&H, as a great example of what they recommended as the best P&S shoot line up for 2019...not many crossing over

      There is an exceptionally detailed article on DXOMARK on Cameras vs cellphones, if you have the time and interest it is worth the read

    • I read the DXO Mark article about camphones vs DSLRs, and I went over the B&H list of Best P&S of 2019. The one thing that still seperates phone images from quality DSLR images is the quality and control of premium optics - I love portrait mode on my iPhone, but it does not compare to what I can create with a 105mm f1.4 optic on FF body. But many times I prefer carrying the more limited weight of my iPhone just the same

      In the B&H list of P&S they included a vast array of camera in price AND size. The Sony RX 10 MK IV is listed as an excellent point and shoot non interchangeable lens camera. I own two of them - well, one is my spouses - but I find I rarely love them - they are larger than a 90D and heavier than my EOS R body. The optics are very good, but don't match my long Canon primes, and the Sony RX 10 Mk IV will never fit in my coat pocket which I stated was one of my defining requirements in a P&S.

      Another camera listed in B&H's list was the Canon G3X - a nice little camera with a 1" sensor and a very long 24-600 equivalent zoom range. But it is BIGGER than my 32.5 MPxl Canon M6 Mk II - I just checked - so the Canon M6 II with 32.5 Mpxl and dual pixel AF is noticeably smaller than the G3X. Maybe that's why I find I rarely use my G3X. Instead, I grab my M6 II and run with that.

      The Leica Q2 is interesting, and if I was willing to only use one focal length might be appealing but the price does put me off.

      One camera that I didn't see mentioned by B&H that does intrique me, and I suspect might be great for riding around the world, is the Olympus Tough TG-6 water proof camera

      Ultimately, what tool a craftsmen chooses to use depends, to a great deal, on exactly what the craftsman wants to create. The tool is dictated by the task. So many tools, so little time!

    • it's interesting that the Canon M6 MII which looks to be straight up competition to the a6xxx series from Sony boast a smaller sensor, fractionally, but show a larger mp result due to resolution numbers.

      Fewer shots per charge, no environmental sealing, but does offer a touch screen. They are a good comparison for sure.

      As this isn't about what I'd like, again, more about general conversation on P&S cameras, the TG-6 is a very poor camera with a tiny sensor and I'm sure your phone could produce better results and a lot of phones nowadays are waterproof and drop proof too, so that camera might not be long for this world.

      ! agree with you on the Leica Q2, amazing money for limited accessibility, but it would be interesting to see and compare shots at similar focal lengths if the price is justified

    • Can I cheat and say the Olympus E-M10/pancake prime or zoom?

      I have a good reason for saying it because I bought one to replace my Canon G1X point and shoot and it's literally just a few mm off in size while providing a bit more flexibility by being able to put on a prime when I need a faster lens. And if I went for one of the PEN models it would be even smaller.

    • @JBeck We have similar inclinations, although I specified an Oly OM-D E M5 MK II or a Panny DC-GX9 with a Panny 20mm f1.7 pancake lens.

      @rtwPaul is looking for non-interchangeable lens cameras I think... But some of them are bigger than smaller bodies that swap some pretty nice glass. like your Oly E-M10

      For me, they just have to fit comfortalbly in a coat pocket. And be inexpensive.

      The Leica twin, the Panasonic Lumix DC-LX 100 with its Leica D-Lux 7 derived DC_Vario-Summilux 24-75mm equiv f1.7-2.8 lens is interesting at less than $6 bills.

    • I have the Panasonic 14 F2.5 pancake myself though the Olympus 17 or 25 are also small enough to work. You still end up with a camera smaller in most dimensions than the Fuji X100's which I think of as a jacket /cargo pants pocket cameras.

      I'd say for a attached lens the Sony RX100 series is basically it now in terms of portability/quality/versatility.

      Personally if I was doing this from scratch I'd probably go towards an Olympus EP5 just because I could do 1 lens while just going out or when traveling bring a tiny kit with me and not feel the need to bring a DSLR.

    • you can 'cheat', the conversation is, per the title about Point and Shoot cameras, i see your inclination but as it's not about the topic...

    • The topic is 'Point and Shoot cameras', hence the line - What P&S Would You Grab? Also, not what I am looking for, but a general conversation about them, sorry that you misunderstood the title,

      @rtwPaul is looking for non-interchangeable lens cameras I think...

    • I got that - Like I previously said 🙀

      @rtwPaul is looking for non-interchangeable lens cameras I think... But some of them are significantly bigger than smaller bodies that swap some pretty nice glass. like your Oly

    • I think point and shoot cameras by definition have non-interchangeable lenses. The higher level category of compact cameras includes both point & shoot and interchangeable lens cameras. Perhaps even the price should be capped at $1,500 for the sake of this conversation.

      A bad analogy could be like comparing sports cars, where Leica Q2 is a Ferrari, while Olympus Tough TG06 is a Miata and Sony RX100 is a Porsche. 😜

    • Exactly, and I get that!

      But that was kinda my point too - there are nice capable interchangeable lens cameras - like the M6 II or many of the smaller m4/3 bodies - that are easily as small as many typical point and shoots and offer more options. The Sony RX10 Mk IV is a nice non-interchangeable lens camera, but it is larger than my 5D MK IV. To me, that is not a P&S, EVEN THOUGH B&H included it in their list of best P&Ss of 2019. I think @JBeck agrees with me.

      To me, real P&Ss fit in a coat pocket with ease. Phones have pretty much replaced non-interchangeable lens pocket cameras for me, and for a lot of people, I suspect.

      One real P&S I mentioned, the Oly Tough camera was derided. OK, its not a Leica, I get that, but it should have durability in Spades, and in capable hands, take a decent picture.

      Most of Olympus's camera do that if used properly. I will concede that I am a long time fan of Olympus going back to the beginning with the OM-1.

      I did point out the Leica twin - "The Leica twin, the Panasonic Lumix DC-LX 100 with its Leica D-Lux 7 derived DC_Vario-Summilux 24-75mm equiv f1.7-2.8 lens is interesting at less than $6 bills."

      I am sorry that my comments were not welcome!

    • I am sorry that my comments were not welcome!

      It's not that your comments are not welcome, it just makes it a little difficult to have a conversation about one very specific subject when every other post is about NOT that subject.

      I would love to hear your insight about P&S cameras, you seem to have good knowledge all things photography related and offer some great links

    • I suspect P&S means different things to different folks as Paul and others have alluded too.

      I’m in Pathfinder’s camp.  To me a P&S is a small footprint camera, non-interchangeable lens, which fits easily into a shirt or coat pocket.  It doesn’t need any accessories, simply a stand alone product.

      Having said that, I have been tempted at times to purchase a sensor P&S but have yet to do so. 

      I have 3 film P&S which I thoroughly enjoyed using;  a Leica C1 and two Olympus XA2 range finders (one always had chrome, the other B&W in the camera). 

      I would like to have a new P&S and following this conversation closely as well.

      In-so-far-as and iPhone is concerned.  I have had very good success with sensor manipulation on my iPhone 11 using the 645 PRO app.  I first used the app on my iPhone 6s and was pleasantly surprised.  I am even happier with the app/results on the 11.   I don’t think it replaces a quality P&S. yet.  But having one less gadget to carry might is a consideration.

    • that app is an interesting option to make your phone better, I'll check it out. I just figured a phone camera came in the phone as is and never realized it could be enhanced by an app. And like you say certainly reduces what you are carrying

    • that app is an interesting option to make your phone better, I'll check it out. I just figured a phone camera came in the phone as is

      Not only the app but some phones can convert to P/S camera too. Tough to me the option seems a waste of money based on the reviews.

      I currently have an OM-D E-M5 Mark II with two lenses, a 25mm and a 45mm (which I really love). But know that's not what you asked for.

      What I had been using several years as point shoot camera was a Casio EX-ZR700 which worked, really, really well. It's strong points are extremely fast electronic brains and focusing, with nice optics and feature rich useable options. Much better than many big brand names at the price tag. So much so, that it was my one and only camera for many trips and I still find some great shots today in the thousands I took over the years.

      The below shot was taken with handheld camera from Focal Length81.0 mm (450.0 mm in 35mm)

      While riding:

      But I killed it eventually using it in the rain and while riding. I am now looking to get another, similar one but the the prices have gone up a bit too much for my preference on a semi disposable camera.