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    • Rivian R1T starts at $69,000, while Tesla Cybertruck tops out at $69,000 with the cheapest option at $39,000. The looks are polarizing, but the specs are much clear to compare. So I was curious to compare the two at the same $69K price tag.

      Here is how Rivian R1T compares to Tesla Cybertruck (Tri-Motor):

      Range: 

      400+ Miles vs. 500+ Miles

      Acceleration 0-60

      3 seconds vs. 2.9 seconds

      Towing Capacity:

      11,000 lbs vs 14,000+ lbs

      Battery:

      105-180 kWh vs. 200 kWh

      Motor:

      Quad Motor vs. Tri-Motor AWD

      I'm not sure what practical difference there is between a Quad Motor and Tri-Motor since both are AWD. I also couldn't find a complete spec sheet on the Tesla's website for the Tri-Motor option, but the Electric Vehicle Database has a good break down of the specs for a Tesla Cybertruck Tri-Motor.

      There are plenty of other specs to consider, but if you had a load of cash in the bank, which truck would you pick up?

    • Do you want to look like you live in a 80s idea of the dystopian future? No? Then the answer is clear: Rivian.

      I mean, really.

    • And since I do it means I'm all for the Cybertruck.

      I'd love for the Blade Runner soundtrack to be in there as an Easter egg. And they would definitely need to at least have a cyberpunk theme for the displays if not the whole interior as an option.

    • And since I do it means I'm all for the Cybertruck.

      Be careful what you wish for. 80s dystopia comes with an obligatory Van Damme mullet.

    • I think I could be quite happy with either - not worrying about paint scratches or broken glass does make me really consider Elon's offering.

      My biggest reason to decline is still the fueling periods - once I fuel my F150 - I can drive almost 650-700 miles or almost 10 hours - and refuel my 36 gallon fuel tank in 15 minutes.

      If I only drove locally this would not matter to me, but many of my trips in my pick up involve distances of 2000 miles or more, one way. sometimes pulling a trailer. Maybe in a couple more years I will be ready to make the jump to an electric truck, I certainly would like to.

      I have a sneaking suspiscion, heavy trucks and maybe even pickups will go the hydrogen Fuel Cell route - to offer the enviromental advantages of electric power, with the rapid refueling and heavy duty hauling offered by an alternative fuel - hydrogen.

    • I think for both those markets they'll just stay with gas/diesel for a bit longer than the rest of our vehicles, but the switch well still be to batteries. Hydrogen isn't a bad fuel source but it takes a lot of money to create that kinda infrastructure since you'd need specialized pipelines. And on the vehicle itself you need a fuel tank many times larger than that are now for the same range and you're limited in how you can package it due to the difficulty in making tanks with minimal leakage.

      Battery tech continues to evolve and it'll probably have those issues largely mitigated by the time a hydrogen network could be put in place. So I'd bet that fuel cell vehicles likely will have even smaller niche roles.

    • True that! But there are already digital prototype mods that make me want to step forward into the dystopian future of the 80s. Electrek has a few pics of Cybertruck mods from the net. 

      This the most badass Cybertruck mod so far:

    • The range is also a big question mark for me in both trucks. 500+ miles sounds reasonable, but then I've gone on camping trips of 700+ with no electric-car fast chargers for miles. So range anxiety is still a concern.

      Gas stations today are omnipresent and much more common in rural areas. However, I'm sure there'll be more fast chargers installed by the time the first truck rolls out of the production line.

      There is also another thing to consider: accessory battery packs and truck-to-truck charging. Rivian's founder said that they'd have both in the Green Car Reports:

      Scaringe confirmed earlier reports based on patent filings that the Rivian R1T pickup  will be designed to accept accessory battery packs that fit into the bed like a toolbox or a false bed floor. The company still hasn't specified how big those accessory packs might be, but they will come on top of the truck's largest 180-kilowatt-hour, 400-mile battery pack. The R1T is will also be available with smaller internal battery options including 135 kwh and 105 kwh, though the company has not released range estimates for those battery packs. Adding the accessory battery packs would allow the truck to venture farther into the wilderness off the beaten path. 

    • Drive magazine has an interesting interview with the founder of Rivian worth reading:

      This particular question from Sean Evans is spot on:

      Instead of how far, do you want to change the conversation to how fast that people can charge to 80 percent? A lot of the issues stem from ‘Well, I get electric vehicles, but I can fill up a tank of gas in 2 minutes. This is going to take me 30 minutes to get to an 80 percent charge.’

      There's a lot of misinformation on this, unfortunately. The speed at which you charge has a huge impact on the life of the batteries. Regardless of what they're telling you, everyone is working with very similar sets in chemistry. There are three or four big battery cell providers here in North America, and their technologies have very minor differences. Ultimately you're up against how fast you can shove electrons in, providing you're effective at cooling the cell and providing it with power to shove it in. The limit is chemistry more than charging strategy, charging profiles, and even cooling. We're all boiling the same water so to speak, and we've optimized the hell out of it for cooling, so we can push electrons in really quickly. We've optimized the profiles, and we've optimized how we operate and run the batteries to maintain life.

      At launch, we'll be able to put 200 miles of range into the vehicle in 30 minutes. Could we go faster? Yes. Do we start to really degrade the cell? Yes. In the next five years, you’ll see a lot of demonstrations where things are charged in 15 minutes, but if you do that 30 times, the battery is shot. Those demos are not realistic or repeatable and we'll start to see those get replaced with real world charging speeds and rates. We see that already, like if you tried to supercharge a Tesla twenty days in a row, the 20th day is slower than the first day because Tesla's naturally protecting the pack.

    • So range anxiety is still a concern.

      How do you feel about Rivian trucks not being able to access the Tesla network? They are on a “CCS” standard so you’re relying on independent networks that probably won’t have the same consistency in equipment/upkeep that Tesla currently has. Meaning, Google maps may say there’s an available charging station five miles down the road but the nearest functioning one may be out of range. It feels like the Wild West if you’re going with a non-Tesla network for charging. Great having multiple competitors over the long run, but until they have competing charging stations on the same corner or nearby, it sounds like the consumer will get screwed by these pockets of monopoly service. But I could be completely missing something here.