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    • No! is my answer for 99.9% of the time. That minor percentage might be when I need to go grab something from the store (food or medical supplies) and the car that's at my disposal isn't available.


      This is just my two cents: Motorcycling is inherently dangerous by nature, an accident on a motorcycle is way more likely for you to need medical care that a similar accident in a car.

      With that accident, you might need medical attention, and that happens at a hospital or medical clinic where to be honest the people working there don't need the additional stress of having to deal with a person's injuries who was out for a joy ride.

      Add to that you might need certain medical equipment to work on your injury, again taking medical staff and equipment away from potentially dealing with CV-19 issues, or simply them getting a little rest from extraordinarily long shifts.

      ...but am I wrong?

      The President of the AMA (American Motorcycle Association) thinks so, in an article this morning on ADVrider the responses to his 'open letter' to motorcyclists

      I personally ride a lot of off-road, enduro type of stuff; drops, get offs and crashes are the norm, can I be sure in any one of those instances I will be unharmed...NO! Hence I'm not riding.

      How about you?

      What would make your circumstances unique that you need to ride? Is it your only form of transport?

      Are you recreationally riding right now, if you had a serious crash would you expect emergency services to come to your aid as normal, but be astounded if they couldn't get to you as quickly as you expected?

    • How about you?

      What would make your circumstances unique that you need to ride? Is it your only form of transport?

      Are you recreationally riding right now, if you had a serious crash would you expect emergency services to come to your aid as normal, but be astounded if they couldn't get to you as quickly as you expected?

      Quite the discussion taking place over there (for those that don't normally read the articles...) on the topic. I'm thinking 90% or more is solely based on where you happen to be in this big, wide, world of ours.

      I've not been on my touring bike (more than just a short jaunt around the neighborhood...) for five weeks and counting. The last 'bug' I had (which had many of the symptoms described as Covid-19) took a good two-plus weeks for both my wife and I to get over. The last couple of weeks - right when this really got amped up here in North America, we've been doing our part to stay as isolated as possible.

      Part of it is the last sentence of yours I quoted. Our prior expectations of emergency services as you described are now completely off-axis with the equations of safety we build into our own little brains.

      I mean, unless you've got a pretty hefty insurance policy to take care of loved ones... 😷

    • I’m getting a few PMs over there asking me to step in and say STAY HOME. I haven’t been riding my motorcycle but I do go out bicycling and running.

    • That's exactly my point - you have a frame of reference about this.

      Certainly your call on getting in the middle of that argument, but who knows. It might keep one person from doing something.

    • I've been riding around leisurely and once or twice a week doing small errands going to the places I do go to get food. Since I don't buy bulky items, my car usually sits for many days before I ever need to use it. My rides usually through rural farmland, take nearly traffic free routes, and at times of day when very few vehicles are around. I don't push my luck ever, I have nothing to prove anymore including to myself, and if a moment's choice has to be made I skip the risks. This has been my philosophy for long time, I hate getting sick or hurt and become helpless, and expect help from anyone else. I never thought of stopping this kind of riding because of the pandemic situation, it would drive me insane - riding is my daily medicine. To me it seems this crisis has no end in sight anytime soon, perhaps will last through summer and on, so I may even have to go into lock-down as many places have already, but I'll carefully/responsibly use and thoroughly enjoy every hour of freedom before that.

    • I know people are not thinking about the negative side of riding, but just a chance to get out in the fresh air on their bikes.

      ...but if things did go wrong then all the inmates that are siding with 'riding is fine' and it's 'just the flu' could have a big shock coming their way

    • There is a lot of 'head in the sand' comments over there, kind of amusing how ill informed a lot of people are, or arrogant. Funny how you could swap out to CV19 to NRA and the comment would be the same

    • New Zealand authorities are pushing the Stay Home message for the reasons @rtwPaul made above.
      It's not you they are worried about, but the potential exposure to those who may have to come and rescue you, and pulling them away from dealing with Covid-19 patients.
      Motorcycle hasn't been mentioned specifically but mountain biking and boating have as people have been caught doing both.

      On the funnier side someone made this meme of our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern about our lockdown.

    • An unexpected chuckle I got from your image this morning. It was in “electronic quarantine” due to suspicion of being “Explicit Nude/Adult Toy category”.

      It has been marked safe and released for viewing: sorry for the delay, the monitoring system doesn’t flag moderators when a photo has been isolated; so it’s a “when did I last check the holding queue?” situation.

    • A friend of mine from Moab contacted me and told me she was amazed on her way to get necessary supplies from the food store, just how many people were out in side by sides, climbing, on the river, on motorcycles.

      She said in Moab quarantine somehow has turned into 'go and have an adventurous time' while you're not at work.

      Just for reference, Moab Regional Hospital is a 17-bed facility

    • are spot on in paragraph 3!

      I had been riding a bit in the national forest outside my back door...until a few days ago.

      A recently retired CDC Doc, living nearby, pointed out the very fact you penned.

      Why, if injured in a moto accident, when I'm just out playing on trails, would I want to further burden, an already over-worked healthcare system? And, a system out of PPE/supplies and medicines. All because I can't stop having a good time on my motorcycle until the virus recedes!

      Wow! Did I ever need that reality check!

    • Well...

      I often say, "I'm 65yo, and trying to decide what I want to do when I grow up!"

      Hopefully, I never grow up...and why I need my wife's adult supervision (sometimes, yet will never, ever admit too)!

    • Interesting, from my end I had no reason to suspect it hadn't posted as I could see it in my post and there was no notification no one else could.

    • I have a question relating to the motorcycle riding during CV19 crisis... Due to the aerosol transmission nature of the virus, are any of you concerned that if and when we are following vehicules in an open air conditions, are you concerned that we could inhale the expelled sneezes/coughs of someone in a vehicle that we may be following?

    • I thought about it. Can only share but not verify the information source.. however it looks bad! Yet given the factors involved (i.e. being outdoors in open air, away from people) vs. in enclosed places with people, it poses less risk. I always hate following a car too close anyway as they may throw cigarette butts or spit out the window.. so I either slow way down or pass them to put distance between us. Urban riding may increase the risk of getting it airborne, for sure.

      According to a recent study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can live in the air and on surfaces between several hours and several days. The study found that the virus is viable for up to 72 hours on plastics, 48 hours on stainless steel, 24 hours on cardboard, and 4 hours on copper. It is also detectable in the air for three hours.

    • Hey @pbounds , welcome to Cake! 🎂

      I’ve been suspicious about atomized Covid in the air too and it’s hard to get info about it. That 6 feet...what happens if it’s windy? In a 20 mph breeze and you’re downwind, does 6 feet turn into 12 feet? When following another motorcycle at 40 mph, what does that mean?

      The WHO just published info about transmission via atomized particles and it’s semi-readable:

      I think the conclusion seems to be that it’s droplets from coughing and sneezing which fall to the ground quickly, or to a doorknob or elevator button that you touch. Not so much from atomized particles. Anyone have evidence to the contrary?

    • I don't have anything on what you are asking for clarification on but it does remind me of a humorous response another rider said to me when I asked, if he was going to ride during the pandemic?

      "I'd rather lick doorknobs in China!"

    • I wonder how long it can live on a dogs fur?

      I see so many people walking dogs and going to the dog park, obviously keeping their social distance when they are there, but the dogs aren't...hence the question

    • I'm certainly no infectious disease doc...

      Yet, I talked at length with my retired CDC infectious disease Doc friend a few minutes ago.

      I asked her your question...

      Her reply, if the virus is airborne and you inhale the live virus, you will have a very high probability of contracting the disease.

      Atomization theory is extremely difficult to model due to so many atmospheric variables.

      There is so much the professionals do not know about this virus. Right now, the pros are offering their best guess. There are many different opinions. Governors are ordering/have ordered stay at home/lock down orders. Governor Cuomo is no longer certain a stay-at-home doctrine will matter.

      The big question...medical professionals are waiting to see, if warmer temps kill this virus. Looking at the recent (just this hour) news out of Florida, my Doc/friend isn't very optimistic this virus will have a seasonal (spring/summer) burn-out.

      What worries me...

      Too many people, particularly young adults, perceive the rules are to be bent or broken altogether or think this is a big game that will not affect them. Or that anything from Trump or DC should be categorically dismissed out of hand. This virus/pandemic is so far beyond politics. It doesn't matter how we got to this point...all that matters is how do we stop it! And so far, no one has discovered the keys to the kingdom of knowledge on that one.

      Look no further then the hotspots popping up along the I-95 corridor northbound out of Florida. All the spring-breakers returning home; stopping at fast food joints, gas stations, motels and bars along the way. Leaving the virus on everything they touch and cough upon.

    • I did hear recently a radio commentator saying something to the extent that it doesn't transmit through pets/petting. There was a time I could care less, and took even stray cats in my arms, but now I'd be reluctant to pet stranger's animals. I think the key to understanding it's transmission is knowing what it actually is. Most people have no idea and think it's a "bug", while I've seen descriptions that indicate it's not even a living thing, just simply a cell containing a mutating DNA, which has ability to change others coming in contact with them. The reason disinfectants work is breaking it's natural "barrier" that may be acting as a "skin" if you will. Now, I completely made this up and please do not regard it as anything scientific, as it could be entirely wrong!

    • On my news feed this morning...

      First global report of a domestic pet (a cat) testing positive for COVID-19; in Belgium.

      It was widely reported several weeks ago that COVID-19 is a zoonotic disease (a disease that can be transmitted from animals to humans).

      Sorry...this post has nothing to do with riding during the pandemic.