I dunno, Dan, he sure seems to make a lot of dictator moves.
It would be a very long list of things he unilaterally does like withdrawing from the Paris accord and granting clemency for Roger Stone that leaders of other democracies and even most dictators don't do.
How many people noticed he signed an executive order about the International Criminal Court, apparently because Iran could win a war crimes law suit against him for assassinating one of their generals? He did it by dictate, a move not even Putin or Kim Jong Un have done.
One of the things I base my opinion on polititians is if they love our country and are acting in what they believe is the best interest of our country.
Is the intent of their actions in the best interest of the American people? So many components as always. Security, prosperity, freedoms, rule of law. Not in any order and certainly tons more things to consider. Trump is big on fairness, is it fair? But to understand more beyond these basic filters of a presidents action we must also look at the person and their tactics.
Delaying the election by decry would be a dictatorial move, One that a president has no power to implement. Say outside of war or martial law, but is threatening via twitter to promote the ballot harvesting question wrong by a president? Isn’t creating a national discussion a good thing from a leadership point of view?
Trump knows China is an adversary. He has pummeled this topic for at least 20 years. Tik Tok is a bargaining chip and a Sun Tzu move on Trumps part. Not shockingly it worked and his threats achieved exactly what he intended. Tik Tok will have secure American collection of data. It will be sold. His actions only increased the value of the company and it’s exposure to America.
Tik Tok used to be only kids. Now everyone is doing it. It is highly influencial. It is also highly skewed towards Trump. Scroll thru the #fyp and you will see what I’m talking about. What he did in regards to Tik Tok was not dictatorial at all. The one platform that is completely pro Tump he just put into secure American hands. (Microsoft is handling data collection)
Does this pass my him believing he is acting in the best interest of America test?
Trump acts in his own interest and not the country’s. If it happens to help the country too then that’s a bonus. Republicans decide what to do in general and he focuses on things that’ll help him. That’s how I see it. I’ll need more evidence to be convinced he gives two shits about anyone but himself.
When you say acts in his own self interest do you mean money?
Either. Current covid response is hurting him money wise though. I think he needs to get re-elected to avoid serious legal issues. We need more trump supporters on here to get a better sense of the other side. Trump’s current tweet about Fauci shows he doesn’t care about anyone but himself and he’ll lie, deceive, bend the rules, break the rules and break the law.
Trump has been going on about it should be very clear he lost early in the tally. If it’s even close, as far as I’m concerned the USA has lost even if Biden ends up winning. Anything but a landslide will reflect poorly on the USA.
As a Canadian, I can perhaps see why you just fail to understand the Electoral College system we've had now for...darn near two centuries. This Time magazine article explains in context to a recent Supreme Court ruling:
Unfortunately, the myths surrounding the Electoral College are powerful enough that politicians from non-battlegrounds are likely to vote against their own states’ interests. If the Electoral College math starts to decisively favor Democrats, we might get a constitutional amendment. Until then, we probably won’t.
We've intentionally made change difficult.
Anyway, back to the original topic. Election Day can't be changed. What needs to be changed is the apathy of the totality of the American electorate.
I understand the electoral college. I didn’t say anything that would suggest otherwise. I understand the importance of individual states and swing states and so on. You must have assumed I thought it was each person votes for Trump because I said tally, or maybe you assumed everyone outside of the USA doesn’t understand the system.
I think you are a very good man who sees the best in everyone, including Trump, and want him to succeed. I wanted him to succeed too and used to watch the Apprentice and had the impression that he was tough, smart, charismatic, and very successful so who knew, maybe he would be great for America? Some smart people I know still think so.
I hope I'm not becoming cynical with age, but I like to think my eyes are more open than they were. One of my greatest heroes was Bill Cosby, I loved the Weinstein films and thought the world of the Weinstein brothers. I even loved OJ.
But this guy has told too many obvious, painful lies, assaulted too many women and bragged about it, fumbled too many things like the pandemic response, attacked too many national heroes, slandered way too many icons like Meryl Streep and Anthony Fauci, denied way too much science, and made too many claims about presidential power he simply doesn't have but tries endlessly to seize.
I didn’t give up on Obama and I’m not going to give up on him. In reading the Bible cover to cover I see massive imperfection. The Bible calls even his chosen people stiff necked many times. Soloman wrote lots of the Bible. 600 concubines? What? God wanted he to be the sole leader as he is a jealous God. But no. Man wanted a king. So he capitulated. Look at the book of Kings. Good King followed bad King followed good King. When the King was good the people prospered. Dictators?
Our system doesn’t allow dictators and certainly many have tried. We have the best system of checks and balances ever devised and why we have the most prosperous country in the history of mankind. (Who wants to get rid of the electoral college and fillibusters?) There is little evidence President Trump is an idealoge. As with apprentice and his life he tackles problems on a solution basis. His style is brash. But so is burning courthouses. Politics has become so incestious that sometimes it needs to be shook up.
Imperfect men have always run our country and EVERY country since Adam and Eve. Luckily our freedoms come from our creator and he will likely step in soon. I personally do not think so, but many do.
Soloman wrote lots of the Bible. 600 concubines?
I hope you’re not using the Bible to look the other way about the 25 women who accuse Trump of rape and sexual abuse.
When you say acts in his own self interest do you mean money?
Why won't he just release his taxes, like everyone else? Why is he still promoting his businesses any chance he gets? Why doesn't he respond to federal subpeonas? How many times has he broken the law as president? How many of those times have been unconstitutional?
From the first link:
Explaining his authority by stating that “[w]hen somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total"
. . .
From the beginning President Trump, aided first by Attorney General Sessions and now by Attorney General Barr, has held expansive views about what the president should be able to do. Under the guise of the so-called “unitary executive theory,” this administration has claimed the authority to fire the FBI director for any reason, argued that the president is immune from criminal investigation let alone prosecution, and bypassed the congressional appropriations process to use military funds to build a wall on the southern border. Recognizing that the federal judiciary might be unreceptive to these claims, the administration has been busy appointing a record number of judges who embrace their views on presidential authority, stacking the decks, so to speak, for when executive power cases inevitably come before our federal courts.
From the second link:
Mocking the Constitution he swore to uphold, President Trump’s G7 comments confirm what we have long known: Unless the courts expeditiously require the President to comply with the words of America’s founders, constitutional provisions like the Foreign Emoluments Clause soon will lose all practical effect, allowing presidents to profit from foreign governments without first obtaining the consent of Congress. And if that happens, the American people will no longer have any assurance that their president is making decisions based on the best interests of the nation, rather than on personal interests.
. . .
Trump seems incapable of being influenced through normal channels, whether that be concerns about his reputational integrity or basic appeals to his humanity. This makes the prospect of facing hard consequences for any criminal, unconstitutional, or otherwise reprehensible behavior even more vital. Anything short of actual punishment, or the credible threat of such punishment, is essentially a license to continue tearing at the fabric of the rule of law.
And this matters not just in terms of ensuring that no one — not even the president — is above the law, but also for the fundamental survival of our constitutional democracy. Every provision of the Constitution that is disregarded and disobeyed without consequence places the lasting protection of our rights and liberties at risk. Every order from Congress that goes effectively unenforced weakens the institution’s ability to protect the American people from corruption or other lawless behavior from the White House. Not just this White House, but every White House from here on that believes, as Trump proclaimed recently, that Article II of the Constitution gives him “the right to do whatever I want as president.”
He may not be officially classed as a dictator, but he's trying.
So much for those checks and balances.
I will never look the other way. How long did it take for Clintons abuse to be exposed? As these things come into the public domain we will have to address them.
Ugh, the bipartisan trashing of our most respected and longest-serving public figures — McCain, Mattis, Obama, Hillary, Colin Powell, John Roberts, Fauci — when his documented record of abuse is 100x theirs.
Here's what Americans think of Hillary and internationally it's much higher. Trashing her was just a political strategy.
I’m reluctant to post this but I will because it was a turning point for me. What we have talked about is sexual assault and rape. There is not much dispute about what Hillary has done to Bills women. But this disturbed me to the point where I lost all respect for her.
Listen to the part where she laughs about the guy passing the lie detector test. Then she says ”it forever destroyed her belief in lie detectors and laughed” in other words she knew this guy had horribly raped a twelve year old. How do you champion women’s issues after this?
Why do we always have to choose the lesser of two evils!
I seek to stay out of most political discussions but because you brought up the Bible, I am going to dive in.
God forgives those who are repentant. Repentance is more than merely sorrow for the sorrow of the world produces spiritual death (alienation from God.) See 2 Corinthians 7:10
God gave Israel a king in order to give them enough rope to hang themselves.
God told Samuel that their request for a king was an act of rejection of God.
And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
After Saul was anointed king, God had Samuel rebuke the people for what they had done.
Now therefore stand and see this great thing, which the Lord will do before your eyes. Is it not wheat harvest to day? I will call unto the LORD, and he shall send thunder and rain; that ye may perceive and see that your wickedness is great, which ye have done in the sight of the LORD, in asking you a king. So Samuel called unto the LORD; and the LORD sent thunder and rain that day: and all the people greatly feared the LORD and Samuel. And all the people said unto Samuel, Pray for thy servants unto the LORD thy God, that we die not: for we have added unto all our sins this evil, to ask us a king. And Samuel said unto the people, Fear not: ye have done all this wickedness: yet turn not aside from following the Lord, but serve the Lord with all your heart;
Several centuries went by and during this time unlike the Judges most of the kings led Israel away from God.
God sent four prophets just before the northern kingdom was carried away into captivity. Two of them, Isaiah and Micah, were sent to the Kingdom of Judah to warn them not to follow in the example of the northern kingdom. The other two, Hosea and Amos, were sent to the northern kingdom to give them one last warning before the end.
Amos prophesied that Israel had betrayed justice.
Hosea prophesied that Israel had betrayed love.
God said to Hosea:
According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was
exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.
You said that God capitulated.
Do you have the attitude "What will God let me get away with?" or the attitude "How may I be more godly and pleasing to God."
Suggesting that we should desire someone like Solomon makes me think that you have not really studied what God said about Solomon. Solomon was not like David. When David sinned and was rebuked, He repented. When Solomon sinned and was rebuked he became angry and even more rebellious.
And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen. And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom. For it came to pass, when David was in Edom, and Joab the captain of the host was gone up to bury the slain, after he had smitten every male in Edom; (For six months did Joab remain there with all Israel, until he had cut off every male in Edom:) That Hadad fled, he and certain Edomites of his father's servants with him, to go into Egypt; Hadad being yet a little child. And they arose out of Midian, and came to Paran: and they took men with them out of Paran, and they came to Egypt, unto Pharaoh king of Egypt; which gave him an house, and appointed him victuals, and gave him land. And Hadad found great favour in the sight of Pharaoh, so that he gave him to wife the sister of his own wife, the sister of Tahpenes the queen. And the sister of Tahpenes bare him Genubath his son, whom Tahpenes weaned in Pharaoh's house: and Genubath was in Pharaoh's household among the sons of Pharaoh. And when Hadad heard in Egypt that David slept with his fathers, and that Joab the captain of the host was dead, Hadad said to Pharaoh, Let me depart, that I may go to mine own country. Then Pharaoh said unto him, But what hast thou lacked with me, that, behold, thou seekest to go to thine own country? And he answered, Nothing: howbeit let me go in any wise. And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah: And he gathered men unto him, and became captain over a band, when David
slew them of Zobah: and they went to Damascus, and dwelt therein, and reigned in Damascus. And he was an adversary to Israel all the days of Solomon, beside the
mischief that Hadad did: and he abhorred Israel, and reigned over Syria. And Jeroboam the son of Nebat, an Ephrathite of Zereda, Solomon's servant, whose mother's name was Zeruah, a widow woman, even he lifted up his hand against the king. And this was the cause that he lifted up his hand against the king: Solomon built Millo, and repaired the breaches of the city of David his father. And the man Jeroboam was a mighty man of valour: and Solomon seeing the young man that he was industrious, he made him ruler over all the charge of the house of Joseph. And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that
the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field: And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces: And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:) Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes: But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes. And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there. And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel. And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee. And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever. Solomon sought therefore to kill Jeroboam. And Jeroboam arose, and fled into Egypt, unto Shishak king of Egypt, and was in Egypt until the death of Solomon.
The wisdom of the world is not compatible with the wisdom of God. Those who are anamored by worldly success pursue have their minds set on the things which are below. But those who are pleasing to God do not admire the ungodly but seek to bring them to repentance so that they might receive salvation.
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
You stated that imperfect men have always run our country. Since every man is imperfect that is obvious. But God wants all men to turn from the error of their ways and He has commanded Christians to pray for the salvation of the souls of those who rule over us.
Do you believe that Donald Trump is behaving as one who has repented of his sins? If not, then you should focus on his need for repentance rather than on admiring that kind of conduct which might result in condemnation.
Trump needs to be voted out. The courts will deal with him after that. And when he dies, if there is a god, then he can deal with him.
Thank you, I personally work toward being Godly and pleasing to God. That might be a personal thing to tell but you asked.
Thank you for the amazing lesson and every word was important. I have a bible friend and we have discussed David and Solomon at length. He says exactly as you have about Davids reaction vs Solomon’s to his/their displeasing of God. So yes I get that. As much as Solomon displeased God and was out of Gods favor he sure wrote a ton of the Bible. He wrote most of Psalms correct? My friend cannot say if he died in Gods favor (is he going to heaven) what do you think?
I have no way of knowing what is in our presidents heart. Certainly if there are things he has done he should be on his knees repenting. I do believe Pence is a good man and Trump trusts his guidance. These opinions come back to the thread topic. I do not believe he wants to be a dictator. I do also believe he loves joking about it just to watch his opponents reactions.
It would be presumptious of me to say whether Solomon died in God's favor or not. There is nothing in the biblical text that makes it clear that he was in God's favor and much which makes it doubtful but we cannot know without revelation.
The scriptures tell us to look at the fruit of a person's actions but it also makes it clear that we do not know all there is to know about each person.
Donald Trump does not confine himself to joking. His behavior, even towards people in his own administration, demonstrates what kind of man he is. As long as he is still alive there is hope that he may some day change but his current behavior is indicative of a need for change.
I don't know what Donald Trump wants but I do know that if he gains the whole world and lose his soul that it will not have benefited him anything.
Character is more important than policy. The worldly may evaluate Donald Trump based on policies but the godly should ask themselves whether the way that he conducts himself manifests the kind of inner character which the scriptures have taught them to avoid.
@cvdavis, I directed my comments towards a specific person.
Years ago, I quit voting and I am not seeking to engage in the political forum.
My comment was not intended to be partisan in nature and this is one subject in which i will not engage with you.
My friend looked at me the other day and said I really didn’t have to sweat my life here. He said because I have eternal life. Does my belief in this make me really smart? Because what if I got this figured out and Trump doesn’t? That make me smarter than him?
Baal seems to have been some super duper thing to worship. In spite of everything they had been thru Moses barely made it out of camp sprinting for the burning bush before they started molding metal into the shape of Baal. As many times as they fell into the Baal trap it never worked. It only worked when they put their faith in God. Yaweh is his name.
So watching Trump hold the bible up in front of the church in La Fayette Park kinda told me he was into the God thing. He mentions all the time we worship one amazing God and in him we trust. Trust! = Faith?
Does this sound like a dictator? I know one thing it’s like a cross to a vampire to his opponents. You know a cross doesn’t really bother a vampire so much. It’s the holders faith that the vampire fears.
Trump a religious believer??? That’s a joke if I ever heard one. When asked to state his favourite scripture he came up blank. Anyone who thinks he’s religious has their head in the sand.
Trump’s real intention:
Trump has lost the vote of my sister, who voted for him on the grounds of her strong views on abortion and religious freedom. She feels he has at the very least turned a blind eye to white supremacy and in general, has failed to unite the country. That’s why she’ll be voting third party come November. She’s given up. Given that my sister wanted to give him every benefit of the doubt for so long and cares very much about fundamental conservative issues, I think it shows that Trump has really screwed up in terms of broadening his support. He has instead pandered only to his base and in the process alienated some conservatives who would vote for virtually any other Republican candidate but him. That’s what’s been his undoing.