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    • I seek to stay out of most political discussions but because you brought up the Bible, I am going to dive in.

      God forgives those who are repentant. Repentance is more than merely sorrow for the sorrow of the world produces spiritual death (alienation from God.) See 2 Corinthians 7:10

      God gave Israel a king in order to give them enough rope to hang themselves.

      God told Samuel that their request for a king was an act of rejection of God.

      And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

      After Saul was anointed king, God had Samuel rebuke the people for what they had done.

      Now therefore stand and see this great thing, which the Lord will do before your eyes. Is it not wheat harvest to day? I will call unto the LORD, and he shall send thunder and rain; that ye may perceive and see that your wickedness is great, which ye have done in the sight of the LORD, in asking you a king. So Samuel called unto the LORD; and the LORD sent thunder and rain that day: and all the people greatly feared the LORD and Samuel. And all the people said unto Samuel, Pray for thy servants unto the LORD thy God, that we die not: for we have added unto all our sins this evil, to ask us a king. And Samuel said unto the people, Fear not: ye have done all this wickedness: yet turn not aside from following the Lord, but serve the Lord with all your heart;

      Several centuries went by and during this time unlike the Judges most of the kings led Israel away from God.

      God sent four prophets just before the northern kingdom was carried away into captivity. Two of them, Isaiah and Micah, were sent to the Kingdom of Judah to warn them not to follow in the example of the northern kingdom. The other two, Hosea and Amos, were sent to the northern kingdom to give them one last warning before the end.

      Amos prophesied that Israel had betrayed justice.

      Hosea prophesied that Israel had betrayed love.

      God said to Hosea:

      According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was
      exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.

      You said that God capitulated.

      Do you have the attitude "What will God let me get away with?" or the attitude "How may I be more godly and pleasing to God."

      Suggesting that we should desire someone like Solomon makes me think that you have not really studied what God said about Solomon. Solomon was not like David. When David sinned and was rebuked, He repented. When Solomon sinned and was rebuked he became angry and even more rebellious.

      And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen. And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom. For it came to pass, when David was in Edom, and Joab the captain of the host was gone up to bury the slain, after he had smitten every male in Edom; (For six months did Joab remain there with all Israel, until he had cut off every male in Edom:) That Hadad fled, he and certain Edomites of his father's servants with him, to go into Egypt; Hadad being yet a little child. And they arose out of Midian, and came to Paran: and they took men with them out of Paran, and they came to Egypt, unto Pharaoh king of Egypt; which gave him an house, and appointed him victuals, and gave him land. And Hadad found great favour in the sight of Pharaoh, so that he gave him to wife the sister of his own wife, the sister of Tahpenes the queen. And the sister of Tahpenes bare him Genubath his son, whom Tahpenes weaned in Pharaoh's house: and Genubath was in Pharaoh's household among the sons of Pharaoh. And when Hadad heard in Egypt that David slept with his fathers, and that Joab the captain of the host was dead, Hadad said to Pharaoh, Let me depart, that I may go to mine own country. Then Pharaoh said unto him, But what hast thou lacked with me, that, behold, thou seekest to go to thine own country? And he answered, Nothing: howbeit let me go in any wise. And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah: And he gathered men unto him, and became captain over a band, when David
      slew them of Zobah: and they went to Damascus, and dwelt therein, and reigned in Damascus. And he was an adversary to Israel all the days of Solomon, beside the
      mischief that Hadad did: and he abhorred Israel, and reigned over Syria. And Jeroboam the son of Nebat, an Ephrathite of Zereda, Solomon's servant, whose mother's name was Zeruah, a widow woman, even he lifted up his hand against the king. And this was the cause that he lifted up his hand against the king: Solomon built Millo, and repaired the breaches of the city of David his father. And the man Jeroboam was a mighty man of valour: and Solomon seeing the young man that he was industrious, he made him ruler over all the charge of the house of Joseph. And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that
      the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field: And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces: And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: (But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:) Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes: But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes. And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there. And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel. And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee. And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever. Solomon sought therefore to kill Jeroboam. And Jeroboam arose, and fled into Egypt, unto Shishak king of Egypt, and was in Egypt until the death of Solomon.

      The wisdom of the world is not compatible with the wisdom of God. Those who are anamored by worldly success pursue have their minds set on the things which are below. But those who are pleasing to God do not admire the ungodly but seek to bring them to repentance so that they might receive salvation.

      If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

      You stated that imperfect men have always run our country. Since every man is imperfect that is obvious. But God wants all men to turn from the error of their ways and He has commanded Christians to pray for the salvation of the souls of those who rule over us.

      Do you believe that Donald Trump is behaving as one who has repented of his sins? If not, then you should focus on his need for repentance rather than on admiring that kind of conduct which might result in condemnation.

    • Thank you, I personally work toward being Godly and pleasing to God. That might be a personal thing to tell but you asked.

      Thank you for the amazing lesson and every word was important. I have a bible friend and we have discussed David and Solomon at length. He says exactly as you have about Davids reaction vs Solomon’s to his/their displeasing of God. So yes I get that. As much as Solomon displeased God and was out of Gods favor he sure wrote a ton of the Bible. He wrote most of Psalms correct? My friend cannot say if he died in Gods favor (is he going to heaven) what do you think?

      I have no way of knowing what is in our presidents heart. Certainly if there are things he has done he should be on his knees repenting. I do believe Pence is a good man and Trump trusts his guidance. These opinions come back to the thread topic. I do not believe he wants to be a dictator. I do also believe he loves joking about it just to watch his opponents reactions.

    • It would be presumptious of me to say whether Solomon died in God's favor or not. There is nothing in the biblical text that makes it clear that he was in God's favor and much which makes it doubtful but we cannot know without revelation.

      The scriptures tell us to look at the fruit of a person's actions but it also makes it clear that we do not know all there is to know about each person.

      Donald Trump does not confine himself to joking. His behavior, even towards people in his own administration, demonstrates what kind of man he is. As long as he is still alive there is hope that he may some day change but his current behavior is indicative of a need for change.

      I don't know what Donald Trump wants but I do know that if he gains the whole world and lose his soul that it will not have benefited him anything.

      Character is more important than policy. The worldly may evaluate Donald Trump based on policies but the godly should ask themselves whether the way that he conducts himself manifests the kind of inner character which the scriptures have taught them to avoid.

    • @cvdavis, I directed my comments towards a specific person.

      Years ago, I quit voting and I am not seeking to engage in the political forum.

      My comment was not intended to be partisan in nature and this is one subject in which i will not engage with you.

    • My friend looked at me the other day and said I really didn’t have to sweat my life here. He said because I have eternal life. Does my belief in this make me really smart? Because what if I got this figured out and Trump doesn’t? That make me smarter than him?

      Baal seems to have been some super duper thing to worship. In spite of everything they had been thru Moses barely made it out of camp sprinting for the burning bush before they started molding metal into the shape of Baal. As many times as they fell into the Baal trap it never worked. It only worked when they put their faith in God. Yaweh is his name.

      So watching Trump hold the bible up in front of the church in La Fayette Park kinda told me he was into the God thing. He mentions all the time we worship one amazing God and in him we trust. Trust! = Faith?

      Does this sound like a dictator? I know one thing it’s like a cross to a vampire to his opponents. You know a cross doesn’t really bother a vampire so much. It’s the holders faith that the vampire fears.

    • Trump a religious believer??? That’s a joke if I ever heard one. When asked to state his favourite scripture he came up blank. Anyone who thinks he’s religious has their head in the sand.

    • Trump has lost the vote of my sister, who voted for him on the grounds of her strong views on abortion and religious freedom. She feels he has at the very least turned a blind eye to white supremacy and in general, has failed to unite the country. That’s why she’ll be voting third party come November. She’s given up. Given that my sister wanted to give him every benefit of the doubt for so long and cares very much about fundamental conservative issues, I think it shows that Trump has really screwed up in terms of broadening his support. He has instead pandered only to his base and in the process alienated some conservatives who would vote for virtually any other Republican candidate but him. That’s what’s been his undoing.

    • White Supremecy? Sigh,

      Have you seen what Trump has done with child trafficking? With Pedophilia? How about the decimation of MS-13. Abortion has become rare and certainly the black community is ticked off about how abortion has decimated their families.

      All war is deception-Sun Tzu

      He says he’s going to ban Tik Tok, He says we should have a discussion about mail in ballot fraud. Now he encourages Florida folks to ask for absentee ballots. In order to understand his results you have to understand him. He is not an ideologue, he is results driven. Just like you would expect from a contractor builder.

      90 days is a lifetime in politics especially a presidential election, heck, 30 days is a lifetime. Your sister will likely go thru many ups and downs as the election gets closer. I’ll bet you a cup of Starbucks coffee she will not throw her vote to a third party. Caring about abortion and her other issues are important enough to not lose the Supreme Court over them.

      Putting America first is not the act of a dictator. Throwing our country to the worldwide wolves is. Does anyone disagree that China has handed us our lunch for at least 20 years?

      Have you heard of the Lincoln Project? So called Conservatives uncluding the Bush family hating our president. Trump supporters are closer to Reagan Democrats, not Billy Crystal, Ben Shapiro, or George T Conway the third conservatives.

      Why do you think he is so hated by the fringes on both sides but loved by the middle? In politics the middle is the sweet spot.

    • I'm glad she is able to see his ways and isn't afraid to vote against him. His appointing judges and such should ensure anti-abortion stuff keeps moving forward even if a democrat is voted in. I sure hope democrats get out to vote despite the pandemic. Mail-in voting :) Trump sees the writing on the wall and that's why he's attacking mail in. If he felt comfortable that he'd win, he certainly wouldn't be figuring out how to deal with a loss.

    • Sigh, classic support for Trump saying he's essentially emptying the swamp. People don't have to disagree with everything the Republicans are doing to want to get rid of Trump. People can be happy with the actions against China and still want to get rid of Trump. People care about the character of the person in charge and they can see that's he's interested in himself and not the country. He's a divider and not making America stronger. He's alienating American allies and dividing the country. Much of what his government does is not because Trump came up with the ideas but rather people such as Steve Bannon. I'm guessing you're a believer in the deep state as well. I could of course be wrong on this last assumption.

      I love what the Lincoln Project is doing.

    • I wonder what Bill Buckley would say about the Lincoln Project. I wonder what Abraham Lincoln would say about it.

      It’s really hard to wrap around this idea that our president does what he does for personal gain. Because if I were a billionare I really do not need anything. Bannon seems to have a good mind but he’s been gone way to long to consider him in the current tense,

      Look no farther than Bill Gates to find a deep state boogyman. Vaccine? Really? Doesn't get much more dictorial than forcing me to inject his potion in me and my family.

      Did Obama weaponize the IRS agsinst Tea Party Americans? Why yes, yes he did. Dictatorial?

    • Well simply say if you were joking about Bill Gates. Otherwise I’ll assume no. I had to take it in context with the other comments and was about 80% that you were a conspiracy theorist. 20% room left :-)

    • I would prefer not to make discussions here personal. It looks like that is the direction you want to head. One of the things I like about this place is most folks remain on topic. Like I said, I enjoyed the conversation. The very best to you.