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    • california_born

      MacBook users like myself have been waiting years for a significant upgrade. Today Apple announced what they claim is a big update. Is this it or merely another disappointment?

    • Chris

      I wish Steve was still there. And I can see why Apple didn't make a big thing of this rollout. Having owned a 2015 MacBook I have to agree that their design peaked then and that was the best MacBook they ever made. Lost in today's announcement is they discontinued that one.

      I bought the 2016 model, which I paid $5,000 of my own money for and then $1,200 to repair the keyboard even though it was covered by AppleCare, because I had a lot of faith in Apple at the time. But I hardly use the touch bar, I've never gotten used to the butterfly keyboard so I attach a third-party keyboard, and I didn't like the memory restriction.

      So now I get essentially the same keyboard, just quieter, a fix for the memory by buying a whole new laptop, the same touch bar, and somewhat faster processor. I feel sad about saying this, but I'm gonna pass.

    • kikoteixeira

      I was hoping they would give the 15 inch a sans Touch Bar option. Ridiculously large track pad is too big and does accidental presses. Too expensive.

    • Richard

      Looks like incremental changes to me, nothing special. It should be noticeably faster, partly due to using faster memory. But it's disappointing that they haven't replaced the keyboard with a new design. That would be a showstopper for me, but then I use a ThinkPad, partly because of its keyboard ;).

    • Richard

      But he does offer the helpful hint that if you put it in a freezer it runs much faster. Maybe there is a good reason to get a smart refrigerator after all ;)

    • Vilen

      That is an excellent point. However, I would speculate that very few people would buy such a keyboard for a couple of reasons:

      1. It would have to be wired. I just don’t see how a wireless keyboard even with a large battery would last long enough before having to be recharged.

      2. The price would be too much to ask for many. Building in the touch bar and the fingerprint sensors (which in my opinion is the most useful feature) would add a significant cost. I would speculate that it would have to be sold for more than $300 to just break even the development and marketing costs.

    • california_born

      Agreed!

      This statement could be a whole conversation: the Apple Touchbar is a gimmick.

      It lacks haptic feedback. It literally takes more time to change volume and screen brightness because of the Touchbar's gimmicky touch UI. And I have to look down every time I change the volume or hit escape because I can't feel for the physical position of those key. And sometimes when it crashes (because it has its own ARM processor), I loose the escape key, and have to restart the machine.

      It's more than a gimmick, it's a nuisance and productively killer.

    • california_born

      I think most people (not including myself or some of you), no longer demand big performance increases in their Macs because you can do so much in a web browser and on the iPhone. And even if they want better performance every year, battery and cooling capacities are becoming the more significant limiting factor. Battery tech just can't keep up.

      Gimmicks like the Touchbar are Apple's attempt to increase the Mac's value proposition. It's kinda like 3D touch on the iPhone -- who really needs it?

    • CosmoBaggins

      As a newcommer to Cake, i'm not sure if this is an effective way to respond to the two replies of my post about the touch bar. But here goes . . . . .

      If one concludes that the touch bar is a gimmic, inappropriate for "desktop" machines, then what do we conclude? Here are some possibles:

      1) Apple have "lost their way" and are moving away from quality tech to the high-end jewelery market.

      2) The touch bar is the prelude to a fully "soft" keyboard. Of course the battery life issues apply here - but to my mind there is no real problam in having a wired keyboard for a desktop machine. But perhaps I'm a dinosaur.

      To be clear - I'm not obsessing about the touch bar. What I am really concerned about is the general future trajectory for Mac-OS machine.

    • california_born

      Apple have "lost their way" and are moving away from quality tech to the high-end jewelery market.

      Great insight!

      Perhaps they are making decent machines that no one wants to buy because their 3-year-old machine is good enough? It's could be it's just harder to get people to pay up for a new Mac every couple of years, and Apple is experimenting to see what gets people to buy.

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