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    • Wow this is a great intro. Thanks for the response! I didn't know these types of trails were marked and ranked. Side question for my curiosity if you so happen to know: Do the state parks department manage this or is it done by volunteers?

      What's the max trail rating you want to attempt in say your first year of off-roading?

      Since this would be the first time ever attempting this, I should probably stay very conservative and stick with green dots and maybe easier blue squares.

      Do you have lockers (locking differential) and what's your tire size?

      Yes the Jeep does have a front and rear locking differentials and 33" tires.

      How much time do you want to spend on the trails?

      Half day sounds like a good starting place then go from there.

      Are you willing to drive a few hours to great trails?

      Maybe not the first time, but after that yes!

    • Trail ratings are set and maintained often with no official authority. It's an ambiguous and imperfect system in a lot of places. Luckily, the enthusiastic community governs the ratings and publishes them online and in guidebooks.

      In well-developed areas, like Moab, the land management jurisdictions (BLM, state parks, and even national parks) actively maintain trail ratings and have them on all trail number markers. The gnarlier the trail, the more likely it'll have a big sign at the beginning, like this:

      33's and lockers on both axels are a recipe for success. You're more than capable of tackling things up to 7. Black diamonds (8-9) are also possible, but bottoming out or sustaining damage could happen without light mods. I'd say you'll want some basic recovery tools for anything over a green.

      Here's what you'll need for blues:
      - A couple multi-ton tow straps. Only a few dollars at Harbor Freight Tools.
      - Tire recovery. Get some MaxTrax recovery boards. These things are amazing. All you do is put them under slipping tires to get out of a bind.


      - A basic winch. For me, I started out with a hand winch for $30:

      - A basic tire repair kit to fix flats. If you get more than one flat, and you can't repair a tire, you're SOL if you only carry the stock spare.

      - First aid kit. Always a good idea when far from places where emergency services can't get to you quickly

      - A good electric air compressor and tire deflators. You need to let air out when you get to dirt for ample traction, then fill the tires back up when you get back to pavement. Tire deflators automatically let out air until they hit a preset pressure. Your 33's will take multiple minutes to default down to an off-road worthy PSI, so it's way better to not have to manually hold each schrader valve open, and constantly check the PSI.

      - Fire extinguishers. A brand new Jeep is NOT going to catch fire, but why not have one? It's always a good thing to carry.

      For yellows and blacks, I'd highly recommend a good bumper-mounted electronic winch. A winch is even useful on greens and blues, but more so for the convenience. A winch is often the fastest and best recovery tool, even when it's not required. It's amazing what a good winch will get you out of. If you have one, you WILL use it on blacks and occasionally on yellows. You'll be pulling people out that are less equipped on greens and blues.

      The Wranger comes with a stock sport bar. Jeep makes sure never to use a roll bar or roll cage in their marketing because the sport bar is not a roll bar or roll cage. You can add some bars between the sport bar to make a roll cage. This makes rollovers significantly safer, both on pavement and off-road.

    • Oh and trails!

      Are you in the Bay Area?

      If so, start Summit Road from Highway 17 to Mt. Madonna State Park. It's an extremely easy 2WD dirt road to get you started, and there are lots of offshoots to explore.

      - Hollister Hills SRVA is a great place to get your feet wet. They have all sorts of meetups there where you can meet experienced people that will take you along. It's a small 800-acre park but its fully dedicated to offroading with every trail rating and obstacle imaginable.
      - Pismo Beach's Oceano Dunes is one of the few place in the country where you can drive on the beach. Your jeep can handle it no problem, and it's a good place to start out. But don't underestimate sand. It's still easy to get stuck.
      - Las Padres National Forest has the closest excellent green trails with amazing views. My three favorites:
      1) Cone Peak Road - takes you near the top of Cone Peak just south of Big Sur. The road is green. Even 2WD cars can do it. The mountain itself has the grade from the ocean in the lower-48. Here's the view from the top. The road takes you most of the way, and the last .2 miles is a hike:


      2) Tassajara Road - a long, green road with epic scenery the whole way. Lots of jagged ridge lines, oak and redwood forests, and wide open chaparral.


      3) South Coast Ridge Road. Cool vid from a motorcyclist. Your jeep is just as capable:

      If you're up for driving to the Sierras, you have 10's of thousands of miles of dirt to explore with the grandest views in California.

    • Trail ratings are set and maintained often with no official authority. It's an ambiguous and imperfect system in a lot of places.

      Ok don't scare me! 😀 So are the easier trails just fire roads? If the ratings aren't maintained by an official authority what about the trails themselves?

      This is all super helpful! Those adjustable tire deflators look awesome. I never knew such thing existed. I do have a follow up question: how do I know what PSI to air-down to when out on the trail?

    • Yup, I am in the Bay Area! That Mt. Madonna State Park drive seems perfect. It's not far and it sounds like I can ease my way into it.

      How did you learn driving techniques? It sounds like you have friends with experience, but I don't know anybody that I can learn from. 😔

    • Wow that is epic! Now I wish I had another vehicle to attempt this stuff with. I'd be afraid of not being able to pickup my kids from school after beating up my car in Moab. 😂

    • Unfortunately, it is a somewhat major road trip from SoCal....I-15 north to I-70 east....prolly 650+ miles for you...but, when the kids get old enough...there are a ton of National Parks all in that area...and, if you are limited for space and not on cash ...

    • The offroad community is super inclusive. Caravaning on trails with other vehicles is like a party to Jeepers. Jeep forums have area-specific sub-forums where people coordinate trips that you could jump in on. You should also check out Jeep Jamboree trips. They're a thrill to go on and they're dedicated to getting new comers out there.

    • @vegasphotog is spot on. Moab has everything, and also it's not just a Jeep destination. It has amazing national parks and all sorts of land for wonderful outdoor sports.

      White Rim Trail is on my bucket list. It's a 70-mile moderate trail that circumnavigates the rim of Canyonlands National Park. Your Wrangler is more than capable of doing the trail.

    • @overlander: Do you have any insight to these questions?

      If the ratings aren't maintained by an official authority what about the trails themselves? Is it all done via by volunteers? I'm trying to understand how much trust I can put into the condition and safety of these trails.

      How do I know what PSI to air-down to when out on the trail? Is there a standard set-it-and-forget-it PSI that is suitable for most green and blue trails?

    • You need to experiment for yourself and see what makes sense with your specific vehicle. I've run as low as 3 PSI for gnarly rock crawling and in sand. I usually run 7-8 PSI on most trails (like Hell's Revenge👇). If it's very easy 4x4 terrain, I'll do 15 PSI. If it's an easy graded road, I'll not bother airing down the tires.

      As for trails, I personally proceed at my own risk and assume that there could be obstacles I might need to turn around for. I saw that @DanSolarMan here on cake is a serious jeeper. @DanSolarMan - how would you advise Brian on checking trail conditions?

    • I would say your tire pressures are spot on. Our race tires are rated at 50 psi max. It is totally trade secret what each racer runs. Most of them if you ask they will lie. We run a goo in the tire that is supposed to prevent leaks. Most racers will deny that they use the goo. Keeping your tires inflated is a big deal and pressure even bigger. Guys used to leave flats all over the course. They now penalize you if you do and each tire must be labeled as yours. That and leaving your catheter for someone to pick up are big no, no’s.

      I would never go out alone. The extreme trails are usually scouted for seasonal damage. Each Jeep club has a rotating scout that is supposed to pre-run the more difficult trails before the entire club goes out. Most of the trails we run have been run so many times they are committed to memory. Many though are seasonal with some opening in late July. Trails like the Fordyce have a creek crossing at the start that depending on the year may be un-runnable because of high water. Rubicon used to have a large boulder gate keeper that was a challenge right off the start but somewhere along the line dynamite took care of that.

      Each terrain has it’s own challenge, many times a club member will literally walk ahead of the group the entire trail. Most trails are marked for difficulty. Experienced spotters are of great value and everyone is trained in safe winch technique. How to properly set up jacks and how to inflate a popped tire on the trail. My first time running the Rubicon a buddy popped a bead and a little starting fluid sprayed in the tire and a match attached to a stick, BOOM! Bead back in place. Tickled the heck out of me at the time.

      Mostly runs are just a huge social event, we have things like the Stag run where the guys just go out and break things. Or the Doe run, no men allowed.

      Whatever your skill level the beauty of the sport is that there is always someone there to help. At our race in Pahrump last year our main rival Billy Bunch was pitting right next to us. We were low on brake fluid. Here comes a member of his team with a bottle of brake fluid.

      It’s how we roll.

    • @DanSolarMan - Thanks for all the info! You are exactly right, it is so second nature to me to go with other vehicles that I forgot to explicitly mention to never go alone as one vehicle. Going with a group of vehicles is a requirement on most Jeep trails. @bstrong, I would say you're safe to go on forest roads and what not by yourself. Once you graduate to stuff where you need 4-LO, never go alone.

      Even for experienced guys, having a group is necessary for getting unstuck or just getting out of the wilderness if your vehicle breaks down. But for you Brian, going with others will also be a huge benefit for learning how to navigate the trails.

      My first time running the Rubicon a buddy popped a bead and a little starting fluid sprayed in the tire and a match attached to a stick, BOOM!

      Dan, do you think I could have done that to fix my buddy's tire on our last trip 😉

    • No! lol

      You can see our jack on the rear quarter panel. One on each side. Screw jacks. Behind each driver and co-pilot are battery impact wrenches. They run the jacks and lugs. We can change a tire in about ten minutes. It almost takes longer to get back buckled in. We will usually leave our Hans device in place and helmet on while changing a tire. To much time lost otherwise.

      In this shot you can see our lightbar has been knocked off by a tree. It is resting on the cowling. We managed to save it until the pits then cut it off and go!

    • ON NICE battery impact wrenches are such a time saver! I carry a DeWalt impact drill with me, with the powertool socket adapters.

      As you can see in that last photo, my friend drove a little father than he should have on that flat. It jammed the lugs so much that we had to use his stock bottle jack to torque the wrench enough to loosen them. The DeWalt wasn't strong enought. This impact wrench is on my wishlist. I can't justify buying it now, because I don't race and the dewalt works for now, but I want it.

      Yeah, I always have my offroad jack on the Jeep, and I make sure to always break down over ruts. That way I can easily get under the rig to work on it 🤪

    • They definitely got their money. I was asked to write a race report. I’ll share it tomorrow.

      Was an amazing experience. When technology catches up to this race it will truly be the greatest American race.

      I have ideas of what they need but satellite feeds are just not reliable or fast enough yet. Everything has to be done by helicopter. When they have in car cameras, audio where they can hear driver and co-pilot coms. Instant replay, on course tracking with (we have it now) track position. In other words the viewer needs to not only be in the car but know course position speed and placement with competitors.

      There is no other racing that flys across American deserts while wheel to wheel racing. Seriously, some of the passing is breathtaking. Until now only the coyotes can appreciate the excitement!