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    • Just saw the unveiling of Rivian Truck at the LA Autoshow and it stole my heart. The 400+ mile range, 0-60 in 3 seconds and the 5,000 kg towing capacity is impressive by any standard. External "gear tunnel" between the cabin and the truck bed seems simple yet so innovative. It also serves as a footstand for easy access to the roof. There are so many other cool little details that I love about it, but I don't want to wait until the late 2020 to get it.

      Here is a video of Rivian R1T and R1S unveiling at the LA Autoshow:

      There have been rumors that Tesla is working on a truck as well, but until I see it and its specs, the Rivian is the only game in town or did I miss something?

    • WHAT?!! This catches me completely by surprise. What a fantastic presentation, although I want to see it out in the wild climbing 45-degree slopes. You would think that independent motors on each wheel, the low center of gravity, and the long suspension travel would make this incredible off-road, sorta like Subaru station wagons surprisingly became.

      It's not the most beautiful thing I've ever seen and I don't know why you would put a battery charge indicator on the back tailgate for all the world to see.

    • With General Motors saying the market for sedans is soft compared to SUVs and trucks, this sounds like a smart strategy for Rivian. I wonder if Elon is feeling some of that pressure because the Model 3 is a sedan. He has his pickup truck high on his priority list:

      A 4wd truck is a great way to get press attention with all the things you can do like stow surfboards in a special compartment, and spin doughnuts in the dirt, at least compared to a sedan.

    • That is a nice find and one I haven’t heard of before. What draws me to the Rivian over the Workhorse is the electric range and aesthetics. I get that as a work truck for a controversial actor the hybrid makes more sense and the 80 mile range will cover most of the daily routes.

      For me though, the idea of loading up my supermoto bike and zipping to a track and back without needed to fuel up along the way is so intriguing.

      I still haven’t seen the pricing for the Rivian, so maybe that will put a damper on my dreams, but hey, I want one still 😜.

    • This looks really cool, and is probably the most promising non-Tesla EV to date. But I'm a little worried it may not be able to achieve the promised range, and the bed looks really short to me, which seems like it will limit this truck to light-duty use.

      Aerodynamics and low rolling resistance are crucial in achieving good range, but this truck has huge tires, a very high clearance, and an oddly flat nose, all of which seem like bad things for range. The four independent motors are also likely to be less efficient than one or two motors would be, though it remains to be seen exactly what motor tech Rivian is using.

      They can compensate for this by making the battery bigger, but a bigger battery will make the truck significantly heavier and more expensive to manufacture, not to mention slower to charge.

      There's also the question of charging and maintenance infrastructure — Rivian doesn't have any service centers or access to a fast charging network like Tesla's super chargers, so they've got some big challenges ahead of them.

      I'd like to see it succeed though! It certainly seems like Rivian has a better chance than any other EV startup in recent memory.

    • Looks like there is another candidate that combines the boxiness of Jeep and Land Rover and takes to the next level. It is called Bollinger B2 pickup truck.

      200 miler range with the top speed of 100mph for a boxy design is impressive. I prefer the curvy and futuristic aesthetics of the Rivian (except for the vertical headlights) over the utilitarian look of the Bollinger, but I'm sure there are fans out there who love the look.

      Which design do you like?

    • the brute conversion on jeep is the goal "for me" of an EV, boxy but tough and utilitarian while being geek heaven.

      The team that can convert any old steel to EV will be my savior, commercialize that and wow.

    • I took one look at it and thought poor Bollinger, it doesn't have a chance against Rivian. Then I searched YouTube and learned they introduced a B1 model at last year's LA Auto Show that looks like a Range Rover. At the time, they already had 12,000 preorders and several dozen press articles about it.

      This Fully Charged episode from last year makes it sound very cool.

    • I think he's totally right. Rivian has made a lot of big promises. If they deliver, it'll be amazing. Whether they'll be able to deliver is still an open question.

      I finally had time to read up in detail about Rivian and their new vehicles, and I'm both more interested and more skeptical. The more I read about the R1T and R1S the better they sound, but also the less convinced I am that Rivian can deliver these vehicles for the prices they've promised.

      So let's dig in!

      The base model R1T with the smallest battery will reportedly start at $69,000, and the most expensive configuration with the largest battery will cost around $100,000. Available battery sizes range from 105 kWh (~230 miles) to 180 kWh (~400 miles).

      Those mileage ratings work out to energy usage of about 450 watt-hours per mile for the R1T. For comparison, the highest-range Tesla Model X currently available, the P100, has a 100 kWh battery and promises ~295 miles of range, which equates to about 339 Wh/mile.

      This puts Rivian's range claims within the realm of possibility, but a mere 111 Wh difference between the sleek, aerodynamic Model X and the large, bulky R1T still seems a bit optimistic to me. Perhaps the R1T is more aerodynamic than it looks, or maybe its motors are surprisingly efficient. It's possible.

      But the Tesla Model X P100, with its 100 kWh battery, has a starting price of $99,000. That's almost exactly the promised price ceiling of the Rivian R1T, a car with a battery nearly twice the size.

      Tesla is currently far and away the world leader in lithium-ion battery manufacturing, in terms of both volume and cost efficiency. In 2016, Tesla said their battery pack manufacturing cost was somewhere in the area of $190 per kWh. In 2018, Elon Musk said they hope to get the cost below $100/kWh by 2020.

      This means that even if Rivian can somehow match Tesla's battery manufacturing costs, the top-spec 180 kWh Rivian R1T battery pack would still cost roughly $18,000 when the R1T goes on sale in 2020. That's a huge line item on a $100,000 car, especially one from a brand new company with a brand new manufacturing line and no existing economies of scale.

      I'm far from an expert on these matters so this is all just casual napkin speculation on my part, but I think Rivian's going to have a really hard time making these pricing promises come true.

    • It turns out that Jeff Hammoud (VP of Vehicle Design at Rivian) was a former Chief of Design at Jeep for 13 years. This fact alone makes me that much more excited about Rivian.

      Add to that Alex Honnold (world renown climber) is also a new partner. 👍