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    • Electric vehicles are the future, more than one revolution will occur, and cost will likely be the primary driver ... sorry for all the word play <knot> :)

      Discussing technology cannot occur in a vacuum, cost a part of mass adoption, let the EV wars begin.

      I bought a Chevy Bolt instead of a Tesla, it wasn't my first choice, but it's also about half the price.

      Since Tesla is producing higher margin cars initially, it makes getting one of the less expensive versions impossible, as well as reducing or eliminating the tax incentives each manufacturer gets on the first 200K EV they produce.

      I needed three things :
      1. all electric - clean, simple, reliable, transportation
      2. toll lanes - 3 years unlimited access
      3. tax incentives - up to $10.5K potential

      i wanted :
      1. tesla - who doesn't ?
      2. low cost
      3. cool

      in considering what i paid, and what i get, i believe i did very well.

      MSRP - $38.5K
      rebates - $5K
      finance - 5.99%
      incentives - $10.5K

      i don't have perfect credit (about 725), and coupled with not having had an auto loan for so long (i buy my cars cash), Tesla didn't have a loan available for me.

      i used the opportunity to take a second look at the Bolt, and i'm feeling really good with my purchase.

      i get all electric, toll lanes, full tax incentives, VERY low cost, and to be balanced it's definitely not a tesla, and its not as cool, so a solid 3 needs and 1 of 3 wants.

      my plan is to drive it for 2 years, put on 100K miles (i drive metric s-tons of miles as a home inspector), then go get myself a tesla.

      i lose one thing (the tax incentives), but i picked it up on this car, so i didn't really "lose" it.

      also, when i get a tesla in a couple years, it will come equipped with all the newer technology.

      it may be higher priced, but it may also may be not, as competitive pressures in the industry, coupled with technology improvements will work to drive prices down.

      i waited in line for a model 3, was first in line camping out with @Scobleizer ... all good in the neighborhood, we take steps as a society to move forward, and it looks my path to owning a tesla will amount to the same.

      remember the point of this article, i'm sure the dynamics of this industry are just getting started ... COST matters !

      hey robert, lets race :)

    • Welcome to Cake, inspector. ๐Ÿ˜ I've heard Chevy Volt owners are a pretty happy lot. Sounds like you are. How do you charge during the day as home inspector when you put on so many miles?

    • good morning chris, thanks for your work in putting this together !

      i picked up the new Bolt (rather than Volt) which is rated for 238 miles/charge, so i get a full day travel on a single charge.

      i DO have to charge it every night for next the day's travel ... with a tesla model 3, the 310 mile range would likely work for 2 days.

      and tesla's super charger network is far superior; there are still only a few DC fast-charging stations available in the Bay Area for EV other than tesla, so i definitely know where they are in case of emergency.

      absent a DC fast-charger, it requires i pull into an EV charging station and charge at 240V A/C, which would take hours for a full charge, so i'll likely do that only if i truly need the power.

      if i have to charge i'll use the time to return emails, schedule appointments, or type reports in the car on the road ... this is definitely a road warrior job, making the best of gaps in my schedule is something i'm used to doing.

      until a DC fast-charger network is built out, i'll have to very carefully watch where i go, since plugging in the car to a 120V outlet takes over a day to charge the battery <grin>

    • I like the Bolt quite a bit. It wasn't available when I needed to replace my car (two years ago) so I went with a second generation Volt. I've been very happy with it. But I would have liked to have gone all electric. The other car in our house is a Kia Soul EV, but I needed more range for my monthly use cases.

    • I've been looking closely at EV's. A while ago I was wondering why used electric cars are so insanely cheap, and I still am. I figured I could supplement my Subaru driving with a Nissan Leaf for around town driving and save nearly $10k in 5 years:

      So, I'm thinking of getting a 2015 Leaf with 35k miles for 10k. I could probably get 65k miles before hitting the warranty's end.

      Cost of fuel and loss in value to drive 65k miles in a Leaf:
      Fuel: 65k miles * 0.3 kWH/mile * 0.15 $/kWH = $2,925.
      Depreciation: $10k purchase - $4k value at 100k miles = $6,000
      Cost per mile: ($2,952 + $6,000) / 65k miles = 13.8 cents per mile

      As compared to my 25MPG Subaru:
      Fuel: 65k miles / 25MPG * 4 $/gallon (I'm betting gas prices will go up) = $10,400
      Depreciation: $16k value at 35k miles - $8k value at 100k miles = $8,000
      Cost per mile: ($10,400 + $8,000) / 65k miles = 28.3 cents per mile

      HUGE savings! So I'm thinking of getting a leaf to do 90% of my driving around town, and reserve the Subie for long trips. But I have to figure out what the insurance and maintenance will be for two cars.

      What's your opinion on buying a used electric car?

    • @khuxtable great to meet another EV adopter.

      the original post definitely is meant to talk to the "affordability" factor ... understood there is much better technology, but price is EXACTLY what matters the most in terms of EV gaining traction, especially in early adoption.

      the toyota prius prime is similar to the new volt, and met my criteria for access to the carpool lanes (if you know bay area traffic, you know how much this is "worth", especially for people like me who drive 150-200 miles/day).

      it's too bad the bolt wasn't available, i'm sure you'd like it.

      my main point, based on what is currently available, you can buy :
      2 chevy bolts or 1 tesla model 3

      two cars for the price of one, and i appreciate incredible technology more than most ... i'll own a tesla soon enough, but right now it made sense for me to get a full bolt instead of half a tesla.

      you're a great example of how to clean the planet by detaching from the petro industry, i am also a 100% EV household now, cheers jeff

    • I agree completely with you on the affordability factor. While I could buy a Tesla, I don't think it's a good way to spend money. Nothing against the technology, though I think they've gone too far with touch screens in the model 3. (Just my opinion.)

      My daily commute is only 25 miles. (I live in the US midwest.) But I have an elderly parent that I need to visit and do part-time care for, and that is approximately 100 miles. The 2017 Leaf and the 2017 Soul EV didn't have the range. In terms of what I could get in the midwest, the Volt was it.

      I do almost all my driving on electric except for my weekly highway trip to visit my parent. But that has to be part of my use case. If the Leaf had had even 160 miles of range in 2017 I might have gone that way.

    • With regard to charging, my partner can charge the Soul EV at work. The engineering company she works for did the work to build out the local charging network for ChargePoint and the local electric company, and they subsidize their employees' charging.

      I don't have charging at work, and I have a much smaller battery. I charge every night at home. After about 6 months of 110V charging, we upgraded our electrical service and installed a 240V charger, which I mostly use.

      But I *could* go two days.

    • driveshaft,

      SAE J1772 Combo, and chevy may have an arrangement with drivepoint, as my car came with credit towards charging at chargepoint stations.

      i did a little looking around, its MUCH easier to find a tesla supercharger than a station to charge the bolt.

      i'm a super commuter, i drive 200 miles/day, go home and plug into a dedicated 240V circuit, and pretty much wash/rinse/repeat each day.

    • the salesperson gave me a pretty simple & believable answer to your question :

      currently EV have low resale value (usually $10K low) because a buyer can just go buy a new car instead and get the $10K in credits.

      if you're looking to buy a used EV, grind HARD on price, otherwise maybe take advantage of the tax incentives while they're available and get something new.

      once the incentives get used up, i suspect the price of used EV will move and firm up, more in line with true worth.

      in either case, i think it makes sense to go with an EV, as long as it gets you to/from work daily hassle free (mainly having the range to cover a day's commuting).

      thats a nice combo, an EV and an subaru !

    • yeah, its awesome when work supports EV, thats a huge factor in terms of accelerating early adoption, hope to see a lot more of this, i'm sure it can be written off, so everyone wins.

    • i'm a home inspector, so each day i drive to different homes in different cities, there's really NO way to bring work home, one of those occupations that comes with mandatory driving, i've put in over 1.25M miles of windshield time :(