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    • Shay

      Listening to an interview on the radio, with a spokesman from Audi, talking about level 3 self driving, automated collision detection, etc.

      Made me ponder technological advances in Motorbikes. I remember abs and linked brakes being introduced on a Vfr, and bikers saying they didn't need abs, they had managed perfectly well without it for aeons...

      the kTm 1190 I own has cornering abs, I haven't had to use it but it should allow me to pull the front brake and the bike won't sit up and the front wheel probably won't wash out.... i like having this feature just in case.

      a slipper clutch, modulated traction control, cruise control, hill start assist....

      Some I like, some I don't need.... traction control is nice when in the wet, gives me a safety net when riding a bike with around 150 bhp. compared to the fireblade 954 I owned in 2002 which would wheelspin in the wet if you weren't smooth with the throttle.

      any thoughts on the above, is the skill of riding a powerful bike being slowly dumbed down?

    • Pu

      I like ABS on a bike if it's done well. I had a BMW F800ST with ABS that was downright dangerous. The ABS and linked brakes on my FJR1300 work very well. Electronic cruise is one of those things that seems silly until you've had it, then you wonder why it's not standard on every bike. Seems like it wouldn't be much more a cost adder with throttle by wire becoming the norm. I've never ridden a bike with traction control but suspect it's quite the confidence booster on wet roads. My FZ09 has none of this and I don't miss it because it's a lightweight hooligan bike and I like the rawness of it. I wouldn't mind ABS on it though.

    • Dracula

      Many years ago, on my 1998 VFR 800 - I think ABS could have saved me a high side when I locked the front wheel on the dividing paint line..

      My 2007 GS 1200 I had for ten years, had traction control and ABS. The ABS I really liked and think was not intrusive in a bad way, and it could be turned off when riding on poor roads or off the road.

      The traction control however I turned it off and wished there was a way for it to always stay that way. Primarily because the boxer motor had a very throttle hand friendly power curve (almost flat) so it worked well as a tractor in uphill, mud or wet, etc. I could always tell and correlate my hand with traction I needed. When the traction control kicked in it behaved as if one cylinder was being killed, not a pleasant or predictable symptom - but that's just my .02 cents on that bike.

      On the Guzzi Stelvio I have now, I am very happy (for same reasons above) that traction control can remain turned off indefinitely, including powering off and back on, until I use the programming to change it.

      These are relatively heavy machines with very friendly low speed manners, and decent but not an insane amount of power, whereas am sure the fire breathing new KTM's that peak over 150 hp could certainly benefit from the electronic traction control. Though I would be very circumspect and careful trusting that leaning ABS to become my safety net.

      I am sure this guy turns them all off ;-) https://youtu.be/NpCubYprqFQ

    • jl

      While I ride a bike with no technology intervention and almost entirely love it (1979 Honda CX500), I would like some non-aggressive ABS...as @Dracula mentioned above, I've had a few scary moments of hitting wet road line paint and almost highsiding (one on the Dragon in Tennessee...that would have been embarrassing). In those moments, I definitely would have been fine with some more computer "intrusion" to prevent the near accidents.

    • forseti

      It is so dependant on the quality or effectiveness of the tech. I've had 2 bikes with traction control and antilock brakes. They are worlds apart on effectiveness. The strom I have now is downright horrible and dangerous on anything but pavement. And the abs can not be turned off.
      So..... I'm wary of all the tech due to the different quality of the tech.

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