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    • Ram Products have some ingenious designs and honestly out of all the products they make I have only ever had one fail, well more than one...their 'ball mount' numerous amount of them

      Failure maybe due to the volume of time I spend on a motorcycle, but in a recent article I wrote for ADVrider its seems like I am not the only one who has had this failure.

      They have a tendency over time to get crushed, misshapen, rip and tear and then basically fall apart. In my epxeriences, usually good for maybe one year of riding.

      I have used these to mount mirrors, GPS units and cameras.

      When in great condition they hold as required, but a drop of the bike and the mirror hits the ground the ball takes the impact and as you have to tighten the clamp so tightly the rubber on the ball takes the strain, and the damage occurs.

      The other issue if you don't drop your bike is whatever you have mounted needs to be secure, so the amount it needs to be tightened damages the ball and mishapes it,then it beomes loose and you tighten it some more...leading to failure

      A company called MotoManufacturing has made a solution, they make an array of aluminum mounts which they call MotoDock and have a few variations of mount, both male and female

      The structure of the aluminum is solid and obviously avoids crushing by its simple makeup, a drop with a mirror hitting the ground with a MotoDock will see the clamp have the opportunity to partially rotate, as the energy needs to go somewhere.

      A very simple solution to a minor problem that only motorcyclists seems to have?

      Do cyclists use these types of mounts too and have the same issues, lmk?

    • Like you; I use them in abundance on the motos to fasten temporary things like a GPS, mirrors, and I love my RAM cupholder with the self-leveling gyro... keeps my coffee inside the cup, even if I have to buy in one of the disposable types.

      That said, I have not used them on the bicycle to date... that's not due to a lack of desire, but more to the sheer size and space their mounting devices take up on an already minute piece of real estate. Bicycle handlebars are also FAR thinner than any motorcycle bar and less resilient to torquing forces of clamped devices.

      Motorcycle falls over with a RAM mounted mirror, it likely moves the mirror from its point, or pushes the RAM ball around the bar. Do the same on a bicycle and those handlebars are more likely to have sustained a bend or break where the clamped part was. The worst case scenario for that is often a break on a road bike style bar with the dropped hand positions. Since the rider's hands are often resting on the bars at the hoods of the shifter/brake levers, the sweat from their arms rolls down, soaks through the bar tape and slowly corrodes the underlying bar. Where the metal clamp that secures the shifter/brake levers to the bar is secured becomes a collecting point for that corrosion and eats away at the metal or the composite resin. Next thing you know, hands go down into the drops to change hand position and "snik", the lower piece of the drop pops away... sometimes with the brake/shifter lever still attached.

      The RAM mounts could likely be used where hands don't grab, but there's still the torque forces issue to contend with. Steering stem manufacturers are very adamant about their torque values and most stems are tightened to a bicycle handleabr at no more than 5-6Nm or about 4ft-lbs.

    • might be time to grab a MotoDock to see if it has a better feel for you and if it could be adapted for bicycle use too.

      I'm sure Al Jesse ownerof MotoManufacturing would be intrigued what you find as he is always looking for new avenues for his products, and most likely hasn't thought of the bicycle angle

    • @rtwPaul my Double Take mirrors started giving me trouble, no longer stay in place at speed or vibrations, no matter how tight the RAM clamp is. Problem with these, they're the ball end, rather than using one. Just wondering if you had any suggestions for this. Thank you Paul

    • The motodock would be good at the bar end, it will also increase the clamping force at the mirror end.

      Another option I have heard riders do it wrap the ball in emory paper to create grip

    • Thank you Paul. I'll order some motodock's. Was also thinking of some kind of abrasive paper.. I've cracked some plastic RAM arms, by over tightening, now I will only use the metallic ones.