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    • First off, I appreciate that we can have civilized discussions on Cake where we can learn from each other, even if we ultimately have different viewpoints

      I would agree with you that we need to be more deliberate in our decision to order shit from Amazon if overseas shipment is required.

      If your kid needs anti-carsick glasses shipped from China so that your daughter can ride in the car without puking, that’s meeting a need.


      If your insulin prescription refill is going to be shipped from Indonesia, that’s meeting a need.


      On the other hand, if you’re ordering bling for your Tesla from China, I wouldn’t call that a need, or even a want that can’t be done without.

      So I’d agree that we should be asking such questions, instead of blindly following the no straws movement and having little to no impact on combatting climate change.

      That’s my two cents, anyway.

    • This is something that I've actually thought about a lot, but hadn't ever thought to discuss on here. I travel internationally a fair amount, but recently have been feeling somewhat guilty about it for the reasons mentioned in the original post. I think this is good for putting it in perspective--I can do a lot more good by using my working life to help contribute towards lessening climate change then I can by not traveling internationally.

      I feel a lot of the same guilt when I ride my motorcycle, which is one of my favorite things to do, and this really helps me feel better about that as well. Riding a vehicle that gets 45 miles a gallon is probably not having a particularly significant impact on the world as a whole.

      On the other hand, I feel like this kind of thinking is part of why people don't vote, and I don't really agree with it in that situation, so I'm not sure why I agree with it here. If everyone thinks that changing what they're doing isn't going to change the world in any way, where's the incentive to move towards cleaner technology?

    • If everyone thinks that changing what they're doing isn't going to change the world in any way, where's the incentive to move towards cleaner technology?

      This is why I think one of the best ways to bring about meaningful change is to support the creation of better alternatives. Not just alternatives, but better ones, so that people would be silly not to change once they're able to.

      I love driving. I used to feel guilty about it. Last year I was finally able to buy an electric car that I like more than any gas car. Now I still get to do what I love, and I can feel less guilty knowing that my car (at least when I charge it at home) is powered by electricity that primarily comes from clean sources like hydro and wind. Maybe someday you'll be able to trade your gas motorcycle for an electric one you like even more.

      I also love meat. I'm not thrilled about the environmental impact of eating it, but I'd hate to give it up. So I'm really excited about the advances being made in synthetic and plant-derived meat substitutes. I'd love to be able to switch to something that tastes like meat but is better for the environment.

      Obviously it's valuable when people choose to drive less or fly less or consume fewer animal products, because every little bit helps. But I think most people are like me: we're not crusaders. We'd like to change, but not at too significant a cost to our own happiness.

      I'm not really proud of it, but it's the truth. 🤷‍♂️