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    • I have a completely different view about Universal Basic Income (UBI) than you, because I'm "warehoused" being on disability. With all the restrictions they place on me FROM working (i.e., either take this hand out and stay unemployed; or go cold turkey and die), we need a better system than thinking education will cure the work problems, too.

      For the disabled, who for years been asking "can we have jobs too?" (other than sorting drill bits); or gender discrimination of if you're a women, you can only do sorting jobs?), that never become available because of our conditions. We can't work 40 hr/week jobs. We can work part-time jobs but our health doesn't work on a time clock, either. Some are in remission, but no one knows when a flare or relapse will occur. Those who want to work soon get discouraged by being fired/laid off.

      So we go on SSDI/SSI, which then society calls us "lazy" "work shy" "welfare queens".

      Can you see HOW now UBI is at least a fix for millions who are disabled not because we don't want to work, but employers can't keep jobs open for the disabled?

      UBI offers the "gig economy" so people otherwise who can't work set hours, can work again when their conditions are milder/in remission ... and not feeling worthless getting laid off/fired because our bodies can't maintain that set schedule. We can do the 2 week jobs, sometimes longer, but we set our own schedules and as long as we meet the deadlines ... perfect! The employer gets their work done, we get paid ... and not penalized like the existing social welfare punishes us for trying.

      Why do they punish us for trying? Because that's a job for able bodied people. Thus, we're warehoused so folks who can do the set hours can have that job.

      See THE problem now?

      I see a lot of people saying also, "We can't live without $15/hr wages". How do folks think the disabled live on $800/mon? That's $5/hr for 40hrs a month. Can you imagine why so many of the disabled WANT work now? We don't even make 1/2 that pay to EXIST.

      UBI is the floor income, and people can work on top of it. I want my dignity back with a paycheck. Not more pipe dreams of higher wages, and for only that 1% owning 60% of the world's wealth, too. That's beyond obscene.

      We ALL want the same things in life. The "system" isn't offering it, as the jobs are few and there's many more wanting those jobs, too. We need a better system than what we have currently.

      To me, in my situation, UBI is a solution to one societal ill among the many in the world.

      (And no, I'm not a socialist, I'm a realist. Millions of people wanting jobs already can't, because millions of able bodied people have those jobs. IF AI/Robots do take over the jobs of factory workers and college educated folks [like programmers themselves -- they already did it before with exporting programmer's jobs overseas], what the disabled face already is your future).

    • Hmmm, interesting Kevyne. I grew up believing Ronald Reagan's welfare queen stories, not knowing until recently that there were considerable inaccuracies. His aides sometimes tried to point them out to him but he persisted because he liked the reaction he got from crowds.

      Do you think disability and universal basic income should be different concepts?

    • Robert -

      Just 'reintroduced' to your writing after several years. The revised POV is fascinating considering your background and the experiences you had with the elite you speak of in your post.

      I would love to see a push to have less focus on Silicon Valley bubble-dwellers and more on the people of this still great country. There is unlocked potential all around us and working to 'remove the scales' from those who would not have seen a way forward versus keeping them down in a 'nanny state' is really a good way to be thinking. This can only happen outside of those who have the mindset of Yuval Noah Harari, which is enough to make any thinking and decent person's skin crawl (but I suspect it elicits applause in the Valley).

      So here I am. 54 years old. Able to give my family more than likely 95% of the rest of the world yet by American standards I 'just get by'. I want a better life for my kids but I want to do more with my remaining years than just get a paycheck. I am a sales professional who desires more than the sale. What do you see out there as ways for me to contribute? I can't afford (financially and in sheer time commitment) to re-invent myself with a 2 year immersion program, yet I feel a pent up desire to do so.

      I am happy to see your line of thinking. It looks good on you. Looking forward to learning more about your changes and shifts etc. Best wishes.

    • Yuval Noah Harari

      Hi Frank, welcome to Cake and thanks for posting. It's great to hear your perspective. Harari is quite the polarizing figure, no? I'd love to hear more of your thoughts about him in another conversation.

    • Thanks, Chris. Very interesting to find an uncluttered place where people might be more interested in idea exchanges and growth vs. political rants and puppies. I am a conservative but not an idealogue.

      Also, I am a regular guy and I am open to listening rather than arguing. I think a truly free society allows for idea exchanges and reasonable dialogue which doesn't always require one person winning and another losing. Oftentimes, a civil discussion can result in personal and/or professional growth without a clear 'victor' and that is a very good thing.

    • Thanks Frank. We seriously hope we can get people with very different perspectives talking. I fretted a little when I saw you write this, because it sounded a little like anyone who is intrigued by Yuval is indecent:

      This can only happen outside of those who have the mindset of Yuval Noah Harari, which is enough to make any thinking and decent person's skin crawl (but I suspect it elicits applause in the Valley).

      I'm not sure what to think of him, I can start another conversation about it, but it feels like both sides will have to have some respect for each other to have a productive dialog.

    • Chris, I stand corrected.

      In reading @Scobleizer 's post I assumed that this was Mr. Harari's concept but after reading the Times piece he is simply stating what appears to be the thinking at the top of the tech elite's food chain. It is almost amusing that Harari himself is puzzled by why he is embraced by these people since he is painting a rather dark picture of the future that they are actively pursuing. I think I need to have less Facebook in my thinking (reacting before researching) and truly ambrace this environment where 'thinking first, writing after' which is what I was hoping for anyway. It's Monday ...

      See it works. I wasn't paying close enough attention and now see it is not Harari that is scary. The weird part is those who somehow don't seem to get what he is saying about them. Either I am missing something or these seemingly very smart people are not very alert. If, however, they are embracing him in order to create a 'new system', if the end result is this useless class then we should all be very worried.

    • Thank you, Frank. Great response. I will start a conversation about Harari later tonight because I'm fascinated.

      I don't know if mine is a liberal or conservative viewpoint, but it's that separation of rich and poor has become too great. It's true here in liberal Silicon Valley where two students start a vaping company and become multi billionaires in 10 years while teachers cannot afford a house. It's true among conservatives as well.