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    • Chris

      Jeff Bezos has always said "the only real problem in life is to be ignored." Elon has no such problem, even when the press is consumed with the drama in D.C.

      I dunno, Elon smoking weed on Joe Rogan's podcast yesterday, renewing attacks on the Thai caver, high-level executive turnover, lawsuits from short sellers, emotional interviews with the New York Times, a sweet-looking new Mercedes crossover, a B- credit rating, big cash burn... Anyone else nervous?

      📷: New Mercedes EQC from Autocar

    • yaypie

      I'm a Tesla owner and investor, and I think a lot of the negativity about Tesla is overhyped nonsense, but good god I wish Elon would shut up for a while and just run the company quietly.

    • Pu

      I listened to the first 1/2 hour of the Rogan-Musk interview on the drive home today and I can't understand how he ever got anyone to invest in any of his ideas. I was under the impression that it takes salesmanship and charisma. Maybe he was off his game, but from what I've heard of the interview so far he has all the charisma and charm of a soggy paper towel. Maybe he's a smart fellow, but it sure isn't coming across in this interview.

    • Chris

      I’m an enormous fan of what he has done with his cars and SpaceX and he fascinates me more than almost anyone.

      But I have to agree with you that it wasn’t the most inspiring interview. He made the point that of all the American car companies that have ever started, only two avoided bankruptcy, and then just barely. And then he detailed how close Tesla came to bankruptcy in 2008.

      As he lit up a joint and downed some whisky, I wondered how inspiring that was to his investors.

    • Chris

      That's true! And it's very interesting, never a dull moment. It's just that a few others who went before him were unapologetically themselves like John DeLorean, and he made me nervous in the day too.

    • vonwong

      I think the results of what Elon has built speaks for itself in many ways. I could be wrong but he seems to be the kind of guy that likes to push the boundaries just so that he can recalibrate and reoptimize!

    • DaleCruse

      I work with a guy who used to work in customer satisfaction at Tesla. He said that when surveying customers post-purchase, most Tesla owners don't actually LIKE their Teslas. And most didn't buy the car because of fuel efficiency. Instead, he said most customers reported they bought their Tesla as a status symbol.

      I had dreamed of owning a Tesla. After this insider told me most Tesla owners don't actually LIKE their Teslas, I retired that dream.

    • Chris

      I wonder if I get a distorted view by living in the Silicon Valley close to Tesla. There are Teslas everywhere around here. Admittedly my sample size is probably only 8 people whom I've seriously questioned about their Teslas, but they love them.

      I do see headlines like this one:

      Tesla Owners Acknowledge Numerous Quality Issues; Love Their Cars Anyway, J.D. Power Finds

      “Tesla owners see themselves as pioneers who enjoy being early adopters of new technology,” said Kathleen Rizk, director, global automotive consulting at J.D. Power. “Spending $100,000 or more on a vehicle that has so many problems usually would have a dramatically negative effect on sales and brand perception. Right now, though, Tesla seems immune from such disenchanted customers.”

    • Pu

      It'll be interesting to see if this good will on the part of Tesla buyers persists after the established automakers really come to market in a serious way. A solid dealer network, real manufacturing know how, quality control like body panels lining up properly, and much lower cost.

      I tried to power through the Rogan interview and just couldn't finish it. I started skipping ahead in 10 minute intervals and it never got interesting. Musk answers in 3 word sentences - it's mind numbingly dull. I was really surprised since I know nothing of Musk beyond news articles but figured a guy with his accomplishments would have some charisma. I've always enjoyed Rogan's interviews in the past.

    • Chris

      I don't know why, but in the past I was riveted by Elon's interviews and yet I couldn't get through this one. Maybe it's because I've heard enough Musk interviews that they are getting repetitive. I hang on every word when Jeff Bezos gets interviewed and he's not charismatic either.

      I thought Joe's questions were interesting. After last week's podcast, I was predisposed to think they wouldn't be. because I couldn't get through one about the carnivore diet. It was too anecdotal and the questions too uninformed.

    • yaypie

      For what it’s worth, I love my Tesla and I didn’t buy it as a status symbol (I actually chose the color I thought would be least likely to draw attention). I wanted a great electric car, and that’s exactly what I got.

    • Pu

      If you're talking about the interview with Jordan Peterson's daughter, I passed on that one without even trying because I knew it would be anecdotal. A lot of his diet and exercise related interviews are, despite the fact that he's about my age and in the kind of physical shape I could only dream of. I never thought I'd have the patience for 3 hour interviews but I've got a fairly long daily commute and find the format works pretty well. For the most part I enjoy them.

    • Chris

      Yeah, that was the one. I felt bad for her and the extreme health challenges she faces, but when she'd say "my blood tests showed I was low on Vitamin D" I was dying for Joe to ask what the level was. The whole interview seemed to be proceeding like that. I got newfound empathy for physicians who have to try and make sense of it.

    • Chris

      This stunned me. According to revenue, the Tesla Model 3 is the best-selling car in America.

    • kevin

      I listened to the whole interview and found it fascinating because I felt it was a glimpse at who Elon actually is. He wasn't selling something. It wasn't a plug for Tesla, SpaceX or whatever (though I think that might have been his or his agents intent). I could relate to him on a personal level.

      In the interview, I heard a sad man who has a fatalistic view of the world talk about his problems. I gotta imagine investors heard that too. The media, the Airforce, and his investors picking on him for smoking a joint is petty. However, seeing such an "idealist visionary" so disillusioned with the world is financially concerning to many given he's the poster child for so many cutting-edge technologies people are betting on.

    • th

      I'm surprised nobody heard what I heard from the interview. I'd read about Musk warning of AI previously, but his mention of how we've already become cyborgs, some can literally upload themselves to 'the cloud' now, and the threat we're under struck me far more than the stock value of Tesla, or his sanity related to the stock value of Tesla.

    • Chris

      That's a really good point. Now that you mention it I remember him talking about how AI will be, actually is, used as a weapon. I've heard Zuckerberg saying it will be okay, but I'm of the belief hostile foreign powers are already using Facebook as a weapon and it's far tamer than AI.

    • kevin

      Yeah, he did have some really interesting points. Companies are cybernetic organizations of people and computers/algorithms that pose threats. Companies are essentially becoming the super intelligent cyborgs. I think this is what Musk and Zuck are butting heads over whether or not to regulate the development of AI.

      For those that thought the interview was not riveting, I wonder if that's because he lacked charisma and the subjects discussed were fairly dire. He didn't mention exciting things like reusable rockets, the Hyperloop, and putting people on Mars. Rather, they talked about the consequences of dumping Carbon into the atmosphere, horrible LA traffic being solved by old-school tunnel boring tech, and Elon's personal life managing time.

    • yaypie

      I think Elon is a riveting speaker when he's talking about something he's interested in, but you still have to look past his "um"s and "uh"s and various other quirks. But you can really tell when he's not super interested in something. He still gives uninteresting topics a lot of thought before speaking, but he says less and is clearly unengaged, almost sleepy.

      I think that was the case for a lot of this conversation. A lot of Rogan's questions were pretty shallow and were barely moving the conversation, and it seemed like Elon was willing to play along but was pretty bored. When a topic came up that he was actually interested in, though, he lit up, spoke faster and more verbosely, and seemed eager to talk at more length.

    • Chris

      Sometimes I wonder why Joe doesn't edit his podcasts down more. They're long and at points they drag. He covers such broad topics there are times when his knowledge is shallow or he's unprepared or something.

      But who am I to critique? He's crazy popular.

    • kevin

      And he also corrected Rogan many times for poor comments, like using magnetics to levitate airplanes (which Elon noted is pretty much impossible). Elon keeps getting the same questions over and over again, whether it's from Joe Rogan or TED. I would get so sick and tired of answering them.

      This video of Elon presenting his interplanetary vehicle, the BFR, is absolutely riveting. And the comments are perfect... 👇

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