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    • While I'm still working and didn't think it would happen where I am and have been for 19 years but it did. The dreaded age discrimination. Of course other excuses were given for me not being selected for a position that I have applied for 3 times in the last year. The last time I wasn't even given an interview.

      The team I was trying to get on is a young team in their mid 20s to early 30s. There is travel involved and my understanding is a lot of partying is done at the end of the day. I'm plenty qualified for the position but I don't fit with the younger crowd as far as they are concerned. I find that humorous since I'm very involved with motorcycling and spend a lot of time with younger riders.

      I'm told to continue to apply and spend time networking with the people already in the position since ultimately that's who I need to be accepted by. With the new realization that I have encountered I'm now wondering what is next in my life. I want to retire in two years but I want to be able to work part time. Now I fear I won't be able to get a part time job because of my age.

      What's the thoughts and experiences other have had?

    • Age bias seems to be prevalent everywhere.

      I know of several women and people of color who have spoken out about it, saying they didn't understand until they were over 45 that it's more influential than gender or race. I am sorry to hear what happened to you.

    • As someone pushing into 40s now, it is becoming a consideration. My hope is that the expertise and knowledge will always find a way to be of use. Also, in my line of work, there's always a possibility of working remotely, which will presumably diminish the effect of age difference.

    • That’s horrible news. From my limited vantage point, it seems Quixotic to pursue their suggestion to network your way onto the team. Since you’re not currently traveling, I would think a more helpful tact would be to get more involved in your professional association, and increase your network there, so that in two years time you’ll have contacts that can lead to consulting and project work for part time employment.

      But I could be completely wrong since your circumstances may be quite different from my assumptions.

    • I was laid off when I was 64 (and hoping to work another year or two). I worked for a large multi-national company that had enough employees that they were always able to lay off across the age spectrum, stopping most of us from going after them for age discrimination. I had been saving for retirement and felt comfortable with deciding to just retire. A colleague who was in his early 50s was laid off at the same time - it took him a good 10 months to find another job. Another colleague who was laid off when she was in her early 60s hooked up with a consulting firm and managed a number of relatively short-term consulting gigs.

      Depending on the industry you are in and your contact network you may still be able to find part-time consulting work after you retire.

    • I was reading your post from a couple months ago and it reminded me of my dad.

      My dad worked for over forty years as an engineer without having a college degree. He went to a technical school for a year and then figured stuff out, working on projects from the Space Shuttle to the SR-71 Blackbird.

      My dad was proud of the fact that he accomplished what he did without having a four year degree.

      There is a real trend nowadays to favor candidates with higher degrees as if it’s a guaranteed badge of excellence, when at best it’s only one factor in assessing the knowledge, skills and performance of a prospective hires. I’ve gotten hired over other candidates because of my masters degree, gotten a significantly higher starting salary because of my masters degree, and have been able to interview for director level positions because a masters degree was a prerequisite. Mind you, I’m currently in a dead end job that I’m overqualified for, but that’s the result of taking career risks that didn’t pan out, not because of my having an advanced degree.

    • Thank you everyone for your thoughts. Soon I will be exploring what else I can do and what I can do remotely. I know there is something out there for me, there has to be.

      The company I work for has changed a lot since being owned by a French company. A few years one of the managers in a high position with the company put a plan together to recruit past employees that left under good terms and retired employees to work in an on call basis to cover vacation, holiday and other times when extra help was needed. That plan would have worked perfect for me but it wasn't implemented and it doesn't look like it will be. He returned to France and someone else took over his position.

      My job right now is as a Client Representative for an Energy and Sustainability Management company. I'm in the Waste/Recycling division. The job I was applying for was as a Waste Auditor. High level description of the job: The Auditors go on site, goes through the dumpster, weights the types of trash and reports on it. Dumpster Diving. The reports shows our clients where they can reduce costs with recycling.

      After the last time I applied and didn't get anywhere I really beat myself up over it for a few weeks. "I'm not qualified to dumpster dive?" Talk about depressing.

      Anymore ideas or thoughts? I'd love to see more.

      This getting older thing is hard work.

    • So from the company’s standpoint, you weren’t qualified enough to be a traveling dumpster diver?

      Okay, that’s a new one for me.  What I do know, from being a project manager and traveling up to 60% of the year, is that people who take a job with extensive travel often decide it’s not right for them.  Or their spouse isn’t happy and forces the decision.

      So from the company’s standpoint, hiring twentysomethings who are single, or married without kids, is a better gamble that the new hire will still be in the position 18 months from now.  

      Sometimes there is information that is to your advantage to share in an interview but that for legal reasons they can’t or won’t ask you.  There was probably things that could’ve been said during the first interview to reassure them,

      “All of our kids are out of the house and my spouse wants to spend more time visiting an out of town relative, so this job fits perfectly with our current life situation.”

      It’s probably too late to convince them that traveling wouldn’t be a problem, but if you have a convincing argument that hasn’t been expressed before maybe it could change their minds.

      Curious.  What exactly does one do in a typical day as a Client Representative for an Energy and Sustainability Management company?

    • After the last attempt I decided it's time to throw in the towel and not apply again. One of the things I was told early on is that they had a difficult time keeping people in that position because of all the travel. During my first interview I committed to staying in the position for a minimum of two years if I was selected.

      The first time I applied my resume was one page going back the 18 years with the company and my accomplishments there. The next time I applied I added another page providing brief highlights of other jobs I have done, things I have volunteered my time for, and a little bit of information about traveling. Between second and third application I used my community service day to go to a neighboring state and work a cleanup day at an ORV park. Before the last time applying I traveled 5000 miles round trip to visit family and did a little litter collecting along the way while documenting it on the Literati app. When I returned I gave a presentation about the app and the litter I collected along the way. "Cleaning up the world one piece at a time." Still I didn't qualify for dumpster diving. LOL

      I'm still using the litterati app and picking up litter when I'm out and about. It's a good thing to help clean up the world I love.

      My position varies with what is needed at the time and is an escalation point for our clients. We help with on boarding new clients and assisting them with the website and reporting features.

      It's clear a change in my strategy is in order.

    • My position varies with what is needed at the time and is an escalation point for our clients. We help with on boarding new clients and assisting them with the website and reporting features.

      You obviously know your company better than I can from a few posts. It’s been my observation that in most organizations I’ve worked for, you couldn’t be promoted or transfer unless there was someone available to replace you.

      Without someone to take your place, you’re too valuable in your current position to let you go and they’re better off hiring someone from the outside for the new position. And the longer you stay in the position the harder it becomes: bosses would rather keep their resident expert than have to train someone who won’t be fully up to speed for at least six months.

      On the positive side, if that is the why, your company wants to keep you around.

      When I read your description of traveling around the country picking up litter, I thought “the Motorcycle Recycler” and wondered if there was a way to turn that into sponsorships with Terracycle, presentations at schools and to civic groups, and keeping a video journal on YouTube. It might not bring in enough to eliminate the need for a part time job, but ideally it would allow you to do more road trips in retirement.

      Good luck!

    • I apologize I didn't see this post and I hope you will see my reply. I love the idea of being a motorcycling recycler with the suggestions you provided.

      The update on my work status is now I feel pushed to retire this fall even though I wanted to work longer it's time. I'm looking at my options to have myself in set financially so I don't have to work to survive. I'll need to work a little to support any type of activities that require more than a few dollars to do. I'll be 65 so medicare will be available for me which makes it easier to retire.

      With that said I have decided to add new activities to my life that are more cost effective. This is what will be added: Kayaking, Backpacking with overnight camping, and Snowshoeing. Those activities aren't expensive to get into and once I have the gear I don't have to keep spending money to enjoy. I will continue to motorcycle, camp and do some traveling in my van with more camping as money allow. These activities are where the part time job will be needed.

      My biggest fear of retiring is not having enough money to do things and feel like a prisoner in my house with nothing to do. I don't want to be that person, I'm not ready to be inactive. I'd rather work than be stuck at home with nothing much to do.

      Wish me luck. :)

    • No worries on the delay in responding: life works that way sometimes. I do wish you luck in retirement and hope you share some of your adventures in a road report or conversation: I’ve enjoyed reading your reflections.

      ❤️❤️❤️

    • An update on this:

      After trying to get another position at work with no luck I finally threw in the towel, accepted what it is and my last day is Aug. 30th. It makes me sad that I was unable to move within the company after being a dedicated employee for close to 20 years with top performance reviews every year. This also creates the movement problem. If a manager hires me it will cost them more between my higher wage and higher PTO due to the years I have been there. They can bring someone in off the street, fresh out of school and pay them just over minimum wage and they don't have as much PTO starting, as I do after all these year.

      It's about budgets and I finally realized this. Age may be part of it but I also think it's a combination of things with the budget weighing the heaviest. No need to continue to beat my head against that brick wall.

      Turning 65 I will have medicare to cover medical and I have enough coming in from SS and my 401K to survive. I will be looking for part time and flexible jobs to earn money for play time. I have a motorcycling habit that takes a bit of money to enjoy. :)

      I'm looking forward to trying new things and am willing to try almost anything. I'm not above doing minimum wage jobs for extra income. Best of all I'm still healthy and physically in OK shape.

      Maybe in another 6 months I will have a terrific update telling you all about how I have come out of this smelling like a rose.

    • Welcome to the rest of your life!

      It stinks that you weren't able to find another position with your employer but it sounds like you are accepting the situation. It took me a bit to settle in to not working but I have to admit I wouldn't want to go back now. I have time to follow my passions, and time to volunteer and connect with others who share some of my concerns and activities.

      I will be watching...

      If you think it would help to talk (either here or offline) please let me know!