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    • As someone pushing into 40s now, it is becoming a consideration. My hope is that the expertise and knowledge will always find a way to be of use. Also, in my line of work, there's always a possibility of working remotely, which will presumably diminish the effect of age difference.

    • That’s horrible news. From my limited vantage point, it seems Quixotic to pursue their suggestion to network your way onto the team. Since you’re not currently traveling, I would think a more helpful tact would be to get more involved in your professional association, and increase your network there, so that in two years time you’ll have contacts that can lead to consulting and project work for part time employment.

      But I could be completely wrong since your circumstances may be quite different from my assumptions.

    • Denise Goldberg

      I was laid off when I was 64 (and hoping to work another year or two). I worked for a large multi-national company that had enough employees that they were always able to lay off across the age spectrum, stopping most of us from going after them for age discrimination. I had been saving for retirement and felt comfortable with deciding to just retire. A colleague who was in his early 50s was laid off at the same time - it took him a good 10 months to find another job. Another colleague who was laid off when she was in her early 60s hooked up with a consulting firm and managed a number of relatively short-term consulting gigs.

      Depending on the industry you are in and your contact network you may still be able to find part-time consulting work after you retire.

    • I was reading your post from a couple months ago and it reminded me of my dad.

      My dad worked for over forty years as an engineer without having a college degree. He went to a technical school for a year and then figured stuff out, working on projects from the Space Shuttle to the SR-71 Blackbird.

      My dad was proud of the fact that he accomplished what he did without having a four year degree.

      There is a real trend nowadays to favor candidates with higher degrees as if it’s a guaranteed badge of excellence, when at best it’s only one factor in assessing the knowledge, skills and performance of a prospective hires. I’ve gotten hired over other candidates because of my masters degree, gotten a significantly higher starting salary because of my masters degree, and have been able to interview for director level positions because a masters degree was a prerequisite. Mind you, I’m currently in a dead end job that I’m overqualified for, but that’s the result of taking career risks that didn’t pan out, not because of my having an advanced degree.

    • Thank you everyone for your thoughts. Soon I will be exploring what else I can do and what I can do remotely. I know there is something out there for me, there has to be.

      The company I work for has changed a lot since being owned by a French company. A few years one of the managers in a high position with the company put a plan together to recruit past employees that left under good terms and retired employees to work in an on call basis to cover vacation, holiday and other times when extra help was needed. That plan would have worked perfect for me but it wasn't implemented and it doesn't look like it will be. He returned to France and someone else took over his position.

      My job right now is as a Client Representative for an Energy and Sustainability Management company. I'm in the Waste/Recycling division. The job I was applying for was as a Waste Auditor. High level description of the job: The Auditors go on site, goes through the dumpster, weights the types of trash and reports on it. Dumpster Diving. The reports shows our clients where they can reduce costs with recycling.

      After the last time I applied and didn't get anywhere I really beat myself up over it for a few weeks. "I'm not qualified to dumpster dive?" Talk about depressing.

      Anymore ideas or thoughts? I'd love to see more.

      This getting older thing is hard work.

    • So from the company’s standpoint, you weren’t qualified enough to be a traveling dumpster diver?

      Okay, that’s a new one for me.  What I do know, from being a project manager and traveling up to 60% of the year, is that people who take a job with extensive travel often decide it’s not right for them.  Or their spouse isn’t happy and forces the decision.

      So from the company’s standpoint, hiring twentysomethings who are single, or married without kids, is a better gamble that the new hire will still be in the position 18 months from now.  

      Sometimes there is information that is to your advantage to share in an interview but that for legal reasons they can’t or won’t ask you.  There was probably things that could’ve been said during the first interview to reassure them,

      “All of our kids are out of the house and my spouse wants to spend more time visiting an out of town relative, so this job fits perfectly with our current life situation.”

      It’s probably too late to convince them that traveling wouldn’t be a problem, but if you have a convincing argument that hasn’t been expressed before maybe it could change their minds.

      Curious.  What exactly does one do in a typical day as a Client Representative for an Energy and Sustainability Management company?

    • After the last attempt I decided it's time to throw in the towel and not apply again. One of the things I was told early on is that they had a difficult time keeping people in that position because of all the travel. During my first interview I committed to staying in the position for a minimum of two years if I was selected.

      The first time I applied my resume was one page going back the 18 years with the company and my accomplishments there. The next time I applied I added another page providing brief highlights of other jobs I have done, things I have volunteered my time for, and a little bit of information about traveling. Between second and third application I used my community service day to go to a neighboring state and work a cleanup day at an ORV park. Before the last time applying I traveled 5000 miles round trip to visit family and did a little litter collecting along the way while documenting it on the Literati app. When I returned I gave a presentation about the app and the litter I collected along the way. "Cleaning up the world one piece at a time." Still I didn't qualify for dumpster diving. LOL

      I'm still using the litterati app and picking up litter when I'm out and about. It's a good thing to help clean up the world I love.

      My position varies with what is needed at the time and is an escalation point for our clients. We help with on boarding new clients and assisting them with the website and reporting features.

      It's clear a change in my strategy is in order.

    • My position varies with what is needed at the time and is an escalation point for our clients. We help with on boarding new clients and assisting them with the website and reporting features.

      You obviously know your company better than I can from a few posts. It’s been my observation that in most organizations I’ve worked for, you couldn’t be promoted or transfer unless there was someone available to replace you.

      Without someone to take your place, you’re too valuable in your current position to let you go and they’re better off hiring someone from the outside for the new position. And the longer you stay in the position the harder it becomes: bosses would rather keep their resident expert than have to train someone who won’t be fully up to speed for at least six months.

      On the positive side, if that is the why, your company wants to keep you around.

      When I read your description of traveling around the country picking up litter, I thought “the Motorcycle Recycler” and wondered if there was a way to turn that into sponsorships with Terracycle, presentations at schools and to civic groups, and keeping a video journal on YouTube. It might not bring in enough to eliminate the need for a part time job, but ideally it would allow you to do more road trips in retirement.

      Good luck!