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    • I wanted to wish a friend happy birthday yesterday, so I typed his name into Google Photos and it successfully recognized this portrait as him. That got my attention. It is him, and we had a great time making him up for this portrait, but I don't think many humans would have recognized him.

      The Verge just published a story, Suspect caught in China at music concert after being detected by facial recognition technology. He was in a crowd of 50,000. Chinese policemen are starting to wear glasses at train stations with facial recognition technology built in.

      Does this give you pause? Does it mean Facebook will be able to target boot ads to you after seeing the boots you tried on at that Texas boot shop you visited?

    • Terrifying. If it ever becomes ubiquitous enough to be used for ad targeting, I would seriously consider wearing anti recognition apparel. One researcher has made what looks like a pair of safety glasses with an array of infrared lights rendering your face unscannable.

    • I wouldn't have worried about it until the Cambridge Analytica story broke a couple of weeks ago. Now the whole concept of facial recogntion is much more frightening.

    • Right? Facebook told us they collect info about us so that we can see more relevant ads. Everyone wants that, no? We didn't connect the dots that Russians could use the data to infer our demons and run ads about them. Scared of immigrants taking your jobs?

      I don't know what you can infer from facial recognition, but you would certainly guess race, age, identity...

    • the other day, someone said Facebook knows more about you from what friends of friends say about you. I would assume facial recognition using all photos might tell Facebook who should be friends with whom. They can infer certain social networks you may “participate” in as well (events you attaend that others capture you in unintentionally).

      I think I’d be fine if the data where one and done but I doubt it is. More than likely, the data is covered by some ridiculously long retention policy and should it be necessary, authorities could go back and place you somewhere easily.

      So no. I’m not comfortable at all.

    • It seems like a huge over-step. I can't use an image of a stranger on the street without their permission but the TSA can scan everyone who goes thru an airport, subway or to an NFL game and do whatever sorcery they want with them. I'm sure they have also written a check to Facebook and the like. Combining a massive image database of everyone with the fake video technology (Obama example linked elsewhere here) ... who knows what sort of things we might be confessing and testifying to in the future. Good times.

    • Drives me crazy. As I "tag" people less and less on FB, if I do, I tag abstract areas in a photo. Technology is selling hard we all need AI for everything we do...."Alexa....do I need to pee?" I am not a fan of Big Government but as we has seen FB overtly run amuck, and Google smartly flying under the radar I think all those crazy Sci-Fi movies from the 80's are coming to life and maybe I need to be in the business of selling facial masks that create a non-readable faceprint when out in public.

    • Jeremy Bentham's Panopticon was meant to be an efficient prison design. Expanding the idea to public places is chilling.

    • From Forbes: These Ex-Spies Are Harvesting Facebook Photos For A Massive Facial Recognition Database

      From the article:

      Over the last five years a secretive surveillance company founded by a former Israeli intelligence officer has been quietly building a massive facial recognition database consisting of faces acquired from the giant social network, YouTube and countless other websites. Privacy activists are suitably alarmed.

      That database forms the core of a facial recognition service called Face-Int, now owned by Israeli vendor Verint after it snapped up the product's creator, little-known surveillance company Terrogence, in 2017. Both Verint and Terrogence have long been vendors for the U.S. government, providing bleeding-edge spy tech to the NSA, the U.S. Navy and countless other intelligence and security agencies.

    • John Twelve Hawks' novel The Traveler incorporates facial recognition technology as an integral part of the distopian context of the story. It's both incredibly interesting and absolutely terrifying to see where this is going. Will it reach a point where the data store is so incredibly large that it can't identify anyone? As much as we all look alike, we all look different and vice versa. As the technology incorporates the ability to read the subtle changes in our expressions, we'll really be screwed because those changes in real time are significantly more unique.

    • Ohhh... I never thought about facial movement as an identifier. Now that I think about it, it’s like of course, that’s a huge clue for us humans.

      What about the last two books in the trilogy? Did he take facial regocnition any further?

    • It wasn't the focus, so much as it was one of the environmental conditions of the storyline that was taken from current, functioning technology developed to somewhat of an extreme. The main story is fantasy, but he placed it in a then-current technology distopia.

    • I'll add that in Indiana, when you sit for your driver's license picture, you sit there in front of the camera for ~30 seconds with your glasses off until it decides it's captured the right moment and the light comes on. That's when it occurred to me that it's probably capturing the right moments at 30 fps, as I made all the faces a squirmy and impatient me is inclined to make.

    • Kevin Harrington

      Will it reach a point where the data store is so incredibly large that it can't identify anyone?

      Good question. Sadly, I think this could happen pretty quickly. Apple's FaceID is proof the identification is getting really good:

      The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID).

      Mind-blowing. I couldn't do that... no one could.

    • The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000

      I believe it since it won't unlock for me with my 5am-in-the-morning-face.

      😆

    • I think the movie Anon (on Netflix recently) adds an interesting twist to this topic view. Isn't it getting harder and harder to write SciFi?

    You've been invited!