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    • I actually think overall, it was a really good conference. Nelson and many other leaders condemned racism; Oaks said we need to respect the results of our elections, etc. Lots to like from this conference, imo.

      Btw, I don’t think he’s saying everyone has to believe in God or be forced into religion. He is just saying those who believe in God can find peace and happiness.

      To each his/her own, though.

    • He is just saying those who believe in God can find peace and happiness.

      And those who don't will live a life of fear. That's what he decided to start off with. If he just intended to relay a pleasant message he should have cut out that first sentence.

    • Perhaps it could have been worded differently. You do have a point. There are certainly many who don’t believe in God or have some other religious identity that have found meaning and peace.

    • I'm certain this was written exactly as intended. These people are keenly aware of the importance of wording. I also think it was targeted mainly at members. You're generally not going to convince nonbelievers with a statement like that, but you can reinforce the belief that living a life that differs from what's taught by the leaders of the church will be scary and unfulfilling and ultimately terrible.

    • I remember hearing this kind of message when I was an active member (many years ago now)—especially when I was a missionary. “Those poor people out there in the world do not know the truth, and think how terrifying that must be for them.” Always an “us v. them” mentality which appears to be language of compassion but carries with it a heavy subtext of division and elitism.

      I don’t follow the church anymore. That’s why I was taken aback when this tweet came up in my feed. My very LDS legislative rep liked it, and I follow him just to stay informed politically, so the Twitter algorithm dished the tweet to me, too. When I saw how many people had liked it, I couldn’t help but think, “sheeple,” which of course, reminded me of this cartoon. Hahaha. :)

    • There certainly is an us versus the world mentality that I don't think is wholly helpful. There can sometimes be the vibe that those "in the world" are lost, when in truth, many people in "the world" are good and are trying their best.

      I don't think that's the church's intention, but it can sometimes come off that way.

    • I think it's calculated. When members believe they are part of the only true path to salvation, they reject other beliefs more readily and defend and spread their own beliefs more intensely.

    • There is definitely a *barrier* of fear. But that is very different from a rational fear, or a life-long fear. I consider a comment like this part of an effort to reinforce the barrier of fear that keeps members in line, so to speak. (Honestly, someone so completely ensconced in the ways of the church has absolutely no idea what it is like “on the outside.” And so I think this comment reveals more about Nelson than it has anything to do with reality.)

      It is a very difficult path to go from trusting, obedient follower to independent, thoughtful individual. That path winds through many irrational fears, but they are only seen as irrational *after* the path has been traveled, so I do not deny that *leaving the church* can be a fearful ordeal. I just think this “prophetic declaration” that those outside the church live in constant fear is a big bunch of hooey.

    • So funny!

      That movie came out when I was an active member of the church just a year before I served as a full-time missionary. I remember church leaders telling us not to go see it, and that it was blasphemy. So, of course, being the obedient servant, I followed the guidance of The Brethren. Thank goodness I had been warned. 😂

      Many, many years later, I watched that movie and the “debate” the BBC hosted about the film: