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    • So I found the movie at the link posted and and started watching, but switched off once they started using Judy Mikovits as a subject matter expert.

      She researched and co-published several papers on Chronic Fatigue, from which I suffer, which were so flawed they were withdrawn by her co-authors and in one instance by the publishers.

    • I don’t understand how the same people — Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump — keep falling for conspiracy theories over and over and discrediting themselves.

      But they have vast followings and are rich & famous, so I guess a very large number of people want those stories.

    • It’s unfortunate how easy those discrediting details were glossed over at the start of the documentary video.

      I try to listen with a respectful if not completely open mind to alternative theory documentaries: I thought the Netflix documentary on Flat Earthers was fascinating.

      But within the first two minutes of Plandemic it became quite clear the point of view: “Renowned scientist“ was used as a given; the Main Street media was referred as “minions” and were accused of hiding the truth from the population.

      After those two minutes, like you I stopped watching. I then read her Wikipedia page and all of the footnotes that painted a picture of a discredited scientist.

      I wonder where in her self-image she decided that her belief became more important than validated and reproducible test results. My understanding is that is why her Science published study was retracted: they were unable to reproduce her experiment results.

      But maybe it’s like someone who gets out of prison without any employable skills so they go back to stealing cars because the pay is better than McDonalds.

      No university or research institute would hire her after being discredited, so perhaps the only option (in her mind) was to use her position as a scientist by training to sell books and get paid as a speaker on anti-vaccination because the pay is better than whatever her other options were.

      Or maybe she’s always been a con artist and this was just a more lucrative con.

    • I've had fierce argumenting with close persons who for one reason or another have a need to put "closure" around facts of life, such as this virus. Rather than accept "I don't know nor do I understand right now" as the real answer. By that, I mean that I believe due to our own internal mental processes some are so biased and afraid of uncertainty that they'll twist reality just to make it reflect their vision.. It might have to do with the phenomena of what brain wants to see.

    • I actually saw it happen first hand, a very good friend of mine who I considered educated and logical but definitly not computer or internet savvy or well traveled.

      He moved to a tiny town in Colorado that once winter came it reduced to just 12 people and he was literally snowed in his house for 3 months with internet but no TV, and never left his house.

      I saw him shortly after the snows had eased and he immediately jumped into a conversation about 'flat earth'.

      He was adamant the earth was flat! His logic was regardless where he looked for documentaries (on YouTube) Every. Single. Time. all he could find was videos confirming the earth was flat.

      I tried to explain to him about algorithms and how what he watched influenced what would be suggested for future viewing and the more he watched of the same would influence suggestions even more. He denied that could happen and knew nothing about algorithms creating a suggestion list.

      So are there people out there who can be easily swayed, yes. Do we have a President who is in this appears so.

    • now reading that article, could it be as simple as TLDR, (too long didn't read), for the majority as we have become more of a visual society.

      Reading these types of article's and papers isn't interesting unless you want them to be, so do many even bother, no!

      Fact checking appears to be a thing of the past and it might be one thing Trump is correct about, there is a lot of fake news.

    • OK, so we know the questionable background of the “scientist.” But WHY is a film like this made? What is the filmmaker’s motive? He *knew* it was going to be banned from social media platforms. Why did he do it? How is making a banned film rewarding? Is he just looking for notoriety? Just like those people Chris mentioned, his reputation is pretty much trashed now, right? I don’t get it.

      From the LA Times:

      “Mikki Willis, the filmmaker behind the video, is listed as founder and chief executive on the website of Elevate, an Ojai-based production company. Willis has a large following on Facebook. In recent weeks, he asked his followers to vote on a name for his newest video (other candidates included “The Oath” and “The Invisible Enemy”), and published long posts claiming to connect the WHO with conspiracy theories surrounding the Council on Foreign Relations and the recent death of Jeffrey Epstein.“

    • I'm sure even though his reputation is crushed there are still people who think he is awesome, these would be his customers, the ones who drank the Kool Aid and think the documentation of the bashing of his credibility is a conspiracy

    • But WHY is a film like this made? What is the filmmaker’s motive? He *knew* it was going to be banned from social media platforms. Why did he do it? How is making a banned film rewarding? 

      Money. Money. Money.

      Chris’s article above from Science magazine mentions that Dr. Miskovits co-authored a book that was published a few weeks ago.

      What book is currently #1 in Biology on Amazon?

      Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science (Children’s Health Defense) co-authored by Dr. Judy Miskovits

      The video going viral, in spite or because of being pulled repeatedly from YouTube and Facebook, is worth millions in free advertising for the book and future speaking gigs for Dr. Miskovits.

      I think it’s a safe assumption that the filmmaker either got a cut of the profits on the book or was paid well for his efforts. (Sorry, but I don’t have access to the deal points memo.)

      Hollywood is a brutal business. Every year, over 20,000 new scripts are registered but only a few hundred films are made for theater release. It can take years for a film to find the funding for a film to get made. Meanwhile, Los Angeles is an incredibly expensive place to live while you try to build a career.

      Here’s a pile of money: go make a video that could destroy your career but also pay your bills.

      But the truth in the case of Plandemic director Mikki Willis is so much simpler.

      All of his films are on alternative theories and healing practices.

      His annual Elevate Festival is focused on alternative views of the world through films and speakers.

      From his IMDB profile:

      Mikki Willis is the founder of Elevate; a production company on a mission, Elevate is one of the most prolific creators of socially conscious media.

      As a filmmaker he has been granted rare access into the minds and hearts of world re-known philosophers, scientists, physicists, doctors, authors, shamans, and human development experts. As a director he has helmed numerous award winning and record setting productions, including theatrical features, network television specials, commercials, and music videos for platinum artists.

      In 2006, Mikki's passion for uniting creatives inspired the birth of "Elevate Film Festival". In less than three years the festival earned the title of "the world's largest single screen film event," hosting up to 6,000 people per screening; filling prestigious arenas such as, The Kodak Theater, The Pasadena Civic, and The Nokia L.A. Live. In 2011, Mikki received the Conscious Life Humanitarian Award, and named a member of the Transformational Leadership Counsel.

      In 2013 he co-created a breakthrough blended learning program for Harvard Westlake; which is currently being integrated into the curriculum of 3500 high schools. In 2014 he co-directed the documentary, "Neurons to Nirvana" : Understanding Psychedelic Medicines. In 2015 -2016 Mikki is completing "Be Brave", his latest feature length documentary. Mikki and his wife Nadia Salamanca are creating "Elevate Family", a new online platform for kids and parents. Mikki, his beautiful wife Nadia, and their two sons Azai and Zuriel live life to the fullest in Ojai, Ca.


      From the indiegogo funding page for Mikki Willis’s documentary film “Be Brave” on Daniel Northcott:

      In April of 2007, Dan’s journey led him to a greater adventure than he had ever imagined.  Despite warnings of an ancient curse, he brought home a bone from a sacrificial Mayan burial cave in Yucatán, and just months later he was diagnosed with leukemia – cancer of the bone marrow.


      I think pulling the above together took an hour of research. And I’m better than most at using search algorithms to find missing details needed to assemble an accurate picture. Like @rtwPaul insightfully remarked, most people aren’t even willing to click on a well-researched article, like the one above from Science that disproves the claims made in Plandemic. Even fewer are willing or able to do the research on their own.

    • Very helpful info, thanks.

      @rtwPaul , the cases that really get to me are when very smart, educated people latch onto something so opposed to the simplest science it boggles the mind. We wonder how they could fall for Plandemic, but then we realize we too believe crazy things.

      Here's a simple example for a dangerous experiment millions of people are try at home every day. It's completely normal, and seemingly the more educated you are, the more you try it. It's consuming coconut oil — what the world has turned to after discovering hydrogenated oils give you heart attacks.

      I attended a public lecture by the head of preventive cardiology at Stanford, who appeared gobsmacked that coconut oil — which heart researchers have used for decades to block the arteries of primates, rabbits, hamsters, yada — suddenly became a health craze. With monkeys, you can give them a tablespoon a day and almost completely close their arteries, then eliminate it and their arteries open again.

      He gets a stream of patients who try the first half of that experiment at home and he has to explain what happened so they can prevent a second heart attack. I watched him explain this to an absolutely shocked audience, who thought they were educated about health.

      Here's how simple the science is: top row 👇, monkeys who had coconut oil added to their chow. Blocked arteries. Bottom row: coconut oil removed from their monkey chow. Open arteries.

      Harder to gr0k science: medium chain triglycerides, which are ~50% of the fat in coconut oil, have magical healing powers. Sounds sciency. 👈 That's what most people have heard and believe despite what the American Heart Association has tried to tell them.

    • Thought more scientific support would be helpful on the claim that coconut oil is unhealthy: I don’t feel comfortable accepting such claims without links to studies by reputable organizations.


      From Saturated fats: Why all the hubbub over coconuts? By American Heart Association News June 21, 2017

      Marie-Pierre St-Onge, Ph.D., thinks she might know why there’s such a big difference.

      She conducted research that showed a type of fat in coconut oil can increase metabolism and boost weight loss. That ingredient is called medium-chain triglycerides, or MCTs, and St-Onge’s study reported that they are processed by the body differently than other dietary fats. In addition to higher saturated fat content, St-Onge noted that coconut oil has a higher proportion of these than most other fats or oils.

      St-Onge, an associate professor of nutritional medicine at Columbia University, said much of the hype of coconut’s benefits is liberal “extrapolation” of that fact as well as other research.

      However, she said, many people tend to overlook an important catch in her research.

      The oil she used in her study was a special 100 percent medium-chain coconut oil. Most coconut oils typically have 13 percent to 14 percent of this medium-chain triglyceride, she said. So, people would have to eat large quantities to replicate the results.

      “No one eats 150 grams (10 tablespoons) of coconut oil in a day,” said St-Onge.

      Nor should they.

      Coconut oil, extracted from the meat of what can loosely be called a seed, a fruit or a nut, is mostly saturated fat, about 82 percent. One tablespoon adds up to more than 11 grams of saturated fats, according to the federal National Nutrient Database. That’s nearly the total daily limit of 13 grams recommended by the American Heart Association.

      In March, St-Onge presented research using a blend of coconut and other fats showing that lower doses of medium-chain triglycerides did not increase calorie burn in overweight adolescents. A study in April in the European Journal of Nutrition also found coconut oil did not increase metabolism or improve cardiometabolic risk markers among overweight women.

    • Seems it was worth it for her to abstain five years from social media, that helps make her so much more credible now.. exactly as you say, Chris!

      And now I'm reconsidering one more person I used to know.. I am starting to see a pattern of political appartenance I could not believe existed in apparently totally sane and normal people! And I do not have any affiliations politically but I bet the simple fact I stated it would be used against me by some.

      Edit: if it wasn't for you Chris, I'd still be taking coconut oil.. hahahaaaa

    • Wow, I watched the fist few minutes and I have to say it’s well filmed. It sounds very convincing and if we didn’t have people who know the actual facts, it would have had my attention.