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    • Wow that sounds...well too good to be true. I'll definitely do some digging. Thanks for the info!!!

      I start with the assumption that it’s not true and that
      there are problems with his study. I also look for replication of the study if
      it does show promising results. I ask myself what is the predominant view of
      the experts in the field and if I find they are at odds with the person then I
      want to know why. As soon as you started saying he is some authority I’m
      concerned about the argument from authority fallacy so I become even more
      skeptical - though interested.

      The first thing I find is this:

      https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2015/08/04/the-incredibly-bad-science-behind-dr-esselstyns-plant-based-diet/

      It leaves me with concerns about Esselstyn’s study and lack
      of very tight controls, limited study, lack of replication, failure to be
      followed up and no publication in a credible peer reviewed journal. So far at
      least. I also ask myself what Esselstyn has to gain from promotion of this and
      think book sales but don’t look any further into his possible motives. I keep
      looking and find this:

      https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/bill-clintons-diet/

      More concerns about his study and it further reinforces that
      his controls are not very tight, his claims are extraordinary and the people in
      the study were even on medication. Now I still haven’t discounted his argument
      but I’m finding the evidence really preliminary. His study is what scientists
      would call preliminary and not something that we should make strong claims on,
      certainly not a slam dunk as he would claim. 
      When I hear of Bill Clinton following this I am brought further home to
      another famous and hugely respected person who may have fallen victim to claims
      of alternative medicine and that’s Steve Jobs. No matter how famous, successful
      or brilliant you are in one subject or area you are not infallible especially
      if you don’t know the rules of logical thinking and aren’t aware of logical
      fallacies.

      So the search continues and I remain a skeptic.

      What is likely so far: Good things – eating lots of fruits
      and vegetables, reducing red meat intake when they have nitrates, eating whole
      grains, eggs, cheese, nuts, avocado…

      There’s no such thing as super foods but rather vitamins and
      nutrients that our bodies need and foods that can provide us with them. Fiber
      is also something that helps keep us regular and whatever else it does that
      appears to be beneficial.

      Bad or concerns – milk is not some magical nutrient (I drink
      whole milk), soy could possibly be a concern if men drink too much, almond milk
      and other alternatives to milk have tons of sugar and often not much in the way
      of nutrients, nitrates in red meat eaten in large quantities, not getting
      enough exercise, not getting sunlight, hormones in meat could be a problem, too
      much sugar, bioaccumulation of mercury if you eat too much fish from certain
      places… Too much sodium? Science keeps going back and forth on that but it’d
      probably be a good idea to avoid too much anyway. Moderation…